The 3 Seductions: Appetite, Ambition & Approval w/Mike Breen
Temptation is everywhere. Heck, it’s even lurking inside of me! And all of us, at some point in our lives, have given into temptations.
In this episode of the Everyday Disciple Podcast, we talk with author and movement leader, Mike Breen, about what lies behind our own particular “Achilles heel” types of temptations. We discuss the 3 seductions of Appetite, Ambition, and Approval. Buckle up!
In This Episode You’ll Learn:
- How to identify what drives your personal temptations.
- The fruit that is produced in our lives by each of these 3 seductions.
- How Jesus was tempted by these same 3 seductions and temptations.
- How to put to death the shame connected to sin and temptation.
From this episode…
“Whatever you’ve done in your life, any areas where you’ve given into temptation and sin, the conversation with God starts with, “There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ,” (Romans 8:1) and it ends with, “despite all these things, overwhelming victory is ours through Christ, who loved us.” (Romans 8:37)”
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Transcript
You can't defeat them, so give up trying.
Mike Breen:Here's two ways to think of it.
Mike Breen:The first way is that Jesus relied upon the scriptures and upon the word that his father had spoken to him that he was already a son.
Mike Breen:So here's a thing that I do with lots of young people who come to me and say, I've got this problem with whatever it is.
Mike Breen:And I say to them, okay, this is what I want you to do for a week.
Mike Breen:I want you to find the baptism and the transfiguration narrative, and I want you to place your name where the word son is, and the first one is, of course, this is my Heath, who I love, who I'm very proud of, and then it's this is Heath, whom I love, very proud of, listen to him.
Mike Breen:It changes everything, because there's the very basis of everything we need.
Mike Breen:All of our appetites are met.
Mike Breen:All of our approval is found.
Mike Breen:All of our ambitions are settled right there
Caesar Kalinowski:in that moment.
Caesar Kalinowski:Wow.
Caesar Kalinowski:Mic drop.
Caesar Kalinowski:This is a mic drop.
Caesar Kalinowski:Boom.
Heath Hollensbe:Welcome to the Everyday Disciple Podcast where you'll learn how to live with greater intentionality and an integrated faith that naturally fits into every area of.
Heath Hollensbe:In other words, discipleship as a lifestyle.
Heath Hollensbe:This is the stuff your parents, pastors, and seminary professors probably forgot to tell you.
Heath Hollensbe:And now, here's your host, Caesar Kalinowski.
Caesar Kalinowski:Hey Heath, how's it going today, brother?
Caesar Kalinowski:Good man, we got a cool show.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yes, it is going to be a cool show.
Caesar Kalinowski:We're going to dig into the things in our hearts that most of us never even heard about with a pretty awesome Very awesome special guest who's just a great friend of mine.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, Mike Breen.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:Uncorked
Heath Hollensbe:who it is.
Heath Hollensbe:Tell us a bit about Mike, how you know him, why you love him.
Caesar Kalinowski:Well, I love Mike.
Caesar Kalinowski:I met Mike, I don't know, several years ago doing conferences, traveling around, talking about discipleship, and missional living, and missional community life, and we kept running into each other, and our wives ended up meeting, and we would We found that we would just finish up our speaking engagements at the hotels or conference centers.
Caesar Kalinowski:We would always just steal away for like two of our other loves, which was great food and a good glass of wine.
Caesar Kalinowski:We just kind of built a friendship out of that and then God led us to do some ministry together and various things.
Caesar Kalinowski:Absolutely one of the smartest.
Caesar Kalinowski:Most generous people I've ever met and not even kidding you and some of our listeners have heard of Mike Breen already guaranteed and he's part of 3dm 3d movements and they've done training all over the world on missional living and disciple making and discipleship culture and it's phenomenal stuff and I've learned a ton from it and 3dm and our world we partnered together on something that our listeners probably heard of called launch yep which is also training and how to live missionally and all that so super excited to have Mike Breen on today.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah, hey Mike,
Mike Breen:thanks for joining us.
Mike Breen:I'm so glad to be with you, Caesar, and thank you, Heath, as well for sorting all this out.
Caesar Kalinowski:Thank you.
Caesar Kalinowski:Well, it's good to have you, and listen, I'm going to dive right in because this is going to be, I know, a packed, it's going to be a packed conversation, and I kind of asked you offline, but this, Sally's good, you're all good, everything's happening good in family life.
Mike Breen:We are absolutely, deliriously happy, thank you.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's a very British answer, Mike.
Caesar Kalinowski:I gotta be honest with you.
Caesar Kalinowski:Let me ask you the first question.
Caesar Kalinowski:As parents, or pastors, or any kind of leader at a church, people maybe who lead small groups or missional communities, Um, you've been in ministry a super long time.
Caesar Kalinowski:What patterns of either temptation or areas of character issues have you seen that need to be addressed if we're going to live fruitful lives and have lasting ministry?
Caesar Kalinowski:And we've talked, pre talked about this a little bit, so I kind of know where you're going, but like, what patterns
Mike Breen:have you seen?
Mike Breen:I tend to look at my own life and the temptations I face and the frailties that I have.
Mike Breen:And then try to frame that with the scriptures.
Mike Breen:And when I do that, I generally go to the Temptations of Jesus, who goes into the wilderness right after his baptism.
Mike Breen:He hears the voice of his father, the Holy Spirit descends.
Mike Breen:And then the very first thing that the Holy Spirit does is to drive him into the wilderness.
Mike Breen:The word...
Mike Breen:in the scriptures is literally to drive.
Mike Breen:It doesn't often translate it into English that way, but that's what it says.
Mike Breen:So the Holy Spirit drives Jesus into the wilderness as if there's no choice.
Mike Breen:There's no, there's no opportunity for some other agenda to be had.
Mike Breen:This is the most important thing right now.
Mike Breen:And there Jesus has his identity tested by three kinds of temptation.
Mike Breen:Ambition, approval, and um, and appetite.
Mike Breen:Obviously appetite is.
Mike Breen:Turning stones into bread.
Mike Breen:He's hungry.
Mike Breen:It's 40 days of fasting.
Mike Breen:Approval is jumping off the temple and having the thousands of people that throng at the base of Temple Mount, uh, see him being held by angels, uh, as the prophecy in the Psalms suggests will happen, uh, floating to the ground.
Mike Breen:And, uh, I think the devil's just suggesting, you know, it'd be a great way to start your ministry with this.
Mike Breen:I mean, be, uh, you know, like.
Mike Breen:First Century Lights and Lasers at a big megachurch and, uh, and then I gotta, I gotta pause
Caesar Kalinowski:you there though, Mike, because I don't know that, I don't know that Jesus would actually get hired at most of the megachurches these days.
Caesar Kalinowski:But that might be a topic for another episode.
Mike Breen:Another episode.
Mike Breen:Yeah.
Mike Breen:I think he might get hired, but I think he'd get fired.
Mike Breen:Um, the, uh, and then of course the other one is, uh, is ambition where, uh, where of course Jesus wants his kingdom to go to every nation.
Mike Breen:And of course the devil is currently, um, the rebel king in charge of those nations.
Mike Breen:And, uh, Jesus never actually, uh, confronts that, or, or even suggests that there's anything different to that.
Mike Breen:That's obviously a scriptural truth that J that, uh, that Jesus is, uh, just assuming to be true.
Mike Breen:That's good.
Mike Breen:And, um, and he's offering...
Mike Breen:The devil's offering as long as he's allowed to maintain his position of worth.
Mike Breen:The word for worship in English is to give somebody their worth, and so he says if you worship me, that doesn't, I think, intend to mean that Jesus somehow is going to start praying to the devil.
Mike Breen:I mean, that's not a temptation for Jesus.
Mike Breen:But, um, but allowing the devil to maintain his position of honor.
Mike Breen:his position of worth.
Mike Breen:Uh, in other words, you know, unrivaled, um, ownership, then the devil will give him all the nations.
Mike Breen:And so those three temptations of, uh, appetite, approval, and ambition, they're the things that help me understand usually what's going on.
Mike Breen:The devil doesn't have new ideas, and certainly he's not going to have better ideas than the ones that he had.
Mike Breen:as he tried to confront the Son of God.
Mike Breen:Yeah.
Mike Breen:Yeah.
Mike Breen:So we have to assume that they're the ones that we're going to get ourselves.
Caesar Kalinowski:So this, this is interesting because you connect these three, and this is kind of a bomb drop right at the beginning, Mike, is appetite, ambition, and approval, but you connected them all to identity.
Caesar Kalinowski:And like you had just said, this, this temptation Uh, with Jesus in the Wilderness, is following right after hearing his father's voice, where his father said, this is my son, and I'm well pleased with you, you bring me great joy.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's right after we get this audible, public affirming of Jesus identity.
Caesar Kalinowski:And it's interesting that you sum up these three temptations of appetite, ambition, and approval connected to identity.
Caesar Kalinowski:How, how do you see that all connecting to identity?
Caesar Kalinowski:Take us a little deeper on that.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's really powerful.
Mike Breen:Yeah, I, I, I mean, I don't know, you know, I'm, I'm, I don't know how deep I am, uh, Caesar, but um, but the, the.
Mike Breen:The thing about Appetite is that, you know, Jesus makes it clear that what he is doing is he's depending upon the words of his father.
Mike Breen:And so, And so clearly, he is saying that my identity as a son means that I'm dependent upon my father, who I trust to provide for me.
Mike Breen:And so, and so when we're finding ourselves running after the appetites of life, you know, money, sex, and power.
Mike Breen:When we're, when we're running after the appetites of life.
Mike Breen:food, drink, the pleasures of the flesh, if you like, then generally what we're saying to God is that we don't trust Him to fill the needs that we know are within us.
Mike Breen:And so it is an identity issue, because it's basically saying that we don't trust God to do that.
Mike Breen:And generally that means that there's a bit of a kind of a disconnect as to understanding Him as a providing, loving Father.
Mike Breen:Yeah.
Mike Breen:And
Caesar Kalinowski:also I'll, I'll, I'll insert my own identity as provision or something.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, something else.
Caesar Kalinowski:And that, yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:That will satiate my appetite in this
Mike Breen:area or that, yeah.
Mike Breen:I'll come up with, I'll come up with a better solution to this feeling that I have inside of need.
Mike Breen:And of course, you know, I mean, you know, not to get too graphic, but the, this kind of, this vast plague of pornography is built on the suggestion that you can find.
Mike Breen:The answer to this need within you and, uh, of course you can't, the person that can provide for you in any way that is finally satisfying is the one who made you.
Caesar Kalinowski:For sure, for sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, let's keep going.
Caesar Kalinowski:Let's walk through some of the other implications or maybe outgrowths that may crop up in our lives for each of these three drivers.
Caesar Kalinowski:You were just, you were just talking about appetite a little bit.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah,
Mike Breen:the approval was interesting, isn't it?
Mike Breen:Because I think it's, uh, I don't know how many of your listeners are based in America, but America is such a performance kind of culture, and such a culture of approval, you know, you're, you're approved of for a whole series of different things that, that, that people are looking for.
Mike Breen:You know, the things that, that, that make us look good, the things that make us sound good, the things that make us, um, appear to be smart or powerful or whatever.
Mike Breen:And, um, and those approvals are the ones that we can very quickly begin to look for rather than the simple approval that comes from our father who says, This is my child.
Mike Breen:I love this child, and I'm very pleased with them.
Mike Breen:I mean, the interesting thing is, is that the approval for Jesus came before he did anything.
Mike Breen:Yeah,
Caesar Kalinowski:powerful.
Mike Breen:He didn't do, he didn't do a single thing, and yet his father approved of him.
Mike Breen:And, um.
Caesar Kalinowski:And we speak a lot on the show about do to be, like that's the beast, that's the way of the world, is that you have to do to be to find an identity to be approved, to be valuable, and this, this speaks exactly to that, this, this.
Mike Breen:Yeah, exactly.
Mike Breen:And, and the, and the ambition thing, I mean, you know, if we were, if we were able to have a bit longer on this, then we would probably.
Mike Breen:Go back and look at how these three temptations are built on the three original blessings that God pronounces over humanity when he calls them his children, they're blessed.
Mike Breen:He offers them all of the bounty of the world through everything that he's made and also encourages them or commands them to rule on his behalf.
Mike Breen:And, um, You know, the, the, the word to rule still resonates in the hearts of every human being in the same way that the word to have light still resonates within the universe.
Mike Breen:I mean, there's light in the universe because God's not withdrawn the word, let there be light.
Mike Breen:And he's spoken to humanity with the word.
Mike Breen:rule.
Mike Breen:And, um, he wants us to rule on his behalf.
Mike Breen:But of course, we strayed from that relationship that made that possible to represent him.
Mike Breen:But there's still this desire to fulfill that, that kind of calling of our very nature.
Mike Breen:And so we tend to strive for, for that status, that position, that, that opportunity that, that expresses this, this, this God given call to rule, but without God.
Mike Breen:We, we do it without Him, we do it by ourselves.
Mike Breen:And so, ambition is all over it.
Mike Breen:And, and if you want, you know, my, my big temptation is ambition.
Mike Breen:Um, there are much greater.
Mike Breen:and um, more significant kind of examples of ambition in my life than the other two.
Mike Breen:But most people have one that is their, if you like, their, their Achilles heel.
Mike Breen:That's the place where they start.
Mike Breen:Let's, uh, let's
Caesar Kalinowski:unpack that a little bit.
Caesar Kalinowski:Let's help our listeners put a...
Caesar Kalinowski:With the help of the spirit here, put a finger on what might be their sort of Achilles heel there.
Mike Breen:Yeah, and if it's ambition, then the way to work it out is, are you always striving to compete?
Mike Breen:Are you always striving to win?
Mike Breen:Are you always looking to be better than you were, better than others?
Mike Breen:There's a, there's just a simple kind of checklist for you.
Mike Breen:If it's approval, then are you always looking over your shoulder and wondering what people think of you?
Mike Breen:What people think of what you say, what you, how you look, how you raise your children, how you lead your church?
Mike Breen:Are you more interested in what people say about the presentation that you just gave at church than the fruit that it may have produced in the lives of the people?
Mike Breen:I mean, it's very interesting one, isn't it, that?
Caesar Kalinowski:And I, and it's weird too, because I, we've, we've, we've talked about, uh, sort of a tangential topic here connected to this approval issues.
Caesar Kalinowski:For many people, it's, uh, the way they manage approval and seek it is, is by retracting from culture or being super quiet or never signing up to lead or help.
Caesar Kalinowski:And it's that whole fear of man and approval thing wrapped up of like, the only way I could be sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:that I can manage this in this setting, is to
Mike Breen:retract.
Mike Breen:A very wise bishop said to me when I was being trained for ministry in the Church of England, he said, underneath every virtue, there's a vice trying to get out, and under every vice, there's a virtue trying to get out.
Mike Breen:And, um, you know, it's a very interesting, it's a very interesting truth that I think that, um, you know, these folks that withdraw from It looks like it's a humble position, but it's not actually humble.
Mike Breen:It's not really humility, because humility is not defined in relation to people.
Mike Breen:Humility is defined in relation to our walk with God.
Mike Breen:And so.
Mike Breen:And so our, our withdrawal from that world is not really a sustainable strategy.
Mike Breen:Mm.
Mike Breen:It's just, it's just a
Heath Hollensbe:cop out.
Heath Hollensbe:So we talked about ambition and approval.
Heath Hollensbe:What would be the checklist, kind of, of the things that pop up if appetite might be your, your
Mike Breen:Achilles heel, if you find that your thinking about the, the appetites that need to be, uh, that need to be satiated.
Mike Breen:on a fairly continuous basis, then probably you've allowed yourself to be programmed to allow that voice to speak too loudly.
Mike Breen:I, uh, I once asked a really holy guy who led a vast movement of, of, of revival in, uh, in Nigeria.
Mike Breen:I said to him, why do you fast?
Mike Breen:And he said, Appetites are like children.
Mike Breen:They will shout very, very loud.
Mike Breen:And so you have to discipline them to be quiet.
Mike Breen:And, um, you discipline them until you get to the point where you only need to say a word and they'll be quiet.
Mike Breen:Um, but you, you sometimes have to go a journey in disciplining those voices to do that.
Mike Breen:And he says, that's what, that's what fasting is.
Mike Breen:That's
Caesar Kalinowski:so good.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's so good, Mike.
Caesar Kalinowski:Let's, let's throw just a little bit more meat on that for appetite.
Caesar Kalinowski:What might commonly have that crop up in people's
Mike Breen:lives?
Mike Breen:So more meat on appetite, Caesar.
Mike Breen:I wonder what your problem is.
Mike Breen:Wow.
Mike Breen:Let's get more meat on that appetite.
Mike Breen:Yeah,
Caesar Kalinowski:I know what you mean.
Caesar Kalinowski:Cause I'm thinking people are listening and you know how it is like, I know I want to try to wiggle out from underneath all three of these before we're done.
Caesar Kalinowski:So, so I, I want to make sure that we're, that we're hearing good examples and people can go like, Ooh, that, that might be the issue for me.
Mike Breen:It's just about where the appetite goes.
Mike Breen:I mean, does it, does it go for, to the place of joy?
Mike Breen:Which is a God given gift, or does it go to the place of a kind of calculated, manufactured pleasure which always returns to you as the creator of it?
Mike Breen:So, you know, do I need, do I need three glasses of wine to actually enjoy the gift that God has given me in this wine?
Mike Breen:Or could I get that gift from one glass?
Mike Breen:You see what I mean?
Mike Breen:I mean, that's the way to think of it, I think, very often.
Mike Breen:So that would
Caesar Kalinowski:apply to all kinds of things, obviously.
Caesar Kalinowski:So it could be food, it could be sex, anything that we consume.
Caesar Kalinowski:Perhaps, right?
Heath Hollensbe:Mike, one of the things that we talk about quite a bit is the thing behind the thing, or even the sin behind the sin.
Heath Hollensbe:What sort of would be your best advice or encouragement for those people as they begin to work through these and want to be set free from these?
Heath Hollensbe:What's your best advice for them?
Heath Hollensbe:Some encouragement,
Mike Breen:maybe?
Mike Breen:Well, here's the thing.
Mike Breen:You can't defeat them, so give up trying.
Caesar Kalinowski:Wow, say that again.
Mike Breen:You can't defeat them, so give up trying.
Mike Breen:Here's two ways to think of it.
Mike Breen:The first way is that Jesus relied upon the scriptures and upon the word that his father had spoken to him, that he was already a son.
Mike Breen:So here's a thing that I do with lots of young people who come to me and say, I've got this problem with whatever it is.
Mike Breen:And I say to them, Okay, this is what I want you to do for a week.
Mike Breen:I want you...
Mike Breen:to find the baptism and the transfiguration narrative.
Mike Breen:And I want you to place your name where the word son is.
Mike Breen:And the first one is, of course, this is my Heath, who I love, who I'm very proud of.
Mike Breen:And then it's, this is Heath, whom I love, who I'm very proud of.
Mike Breen:Listen to him.
Mike Breen:It changes everything.
Mike Breen:Because there's the very basis of everything we need.
Mike Breen:All of our appetites are met.
Mike Breen:All of our approval is found.
Mike Breen:All of our ambitions are settled.
Mike Breen:Right there.
Mike Breen:In that moment.
Mike Breen:Wow.
Caesar Kalinowski:Mic drop.
Caesar Kalinowski:This is a mic drop.
Caesar Kalinowski:Boom.
Mike Breen:Pun intended.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:That's, you know, it's so a freeing cause I've spent my whole life chasing down.
Heath Hollensbe:It's, it's almost like the, the arcade game whack a mole, you know, where when you try to suppress one, another pops up in another area.
Heath Hollensbe:And so you try to smash that down for.
Heath Hollensbe:for a few weeks or months and then it pops up somewhere else.
Heath Hollensbe:So it's freeing to hear, like you're never
Mike Breen:going to do it.
Mike Breen:You're never going to do it.
Mike Breen:Give up the, the, the best way is to listen to the voice of the father.
Mike Breen:And then this is what I do.
Mike Breen:I surrender to the presence of the spirit because.
Mike Breen:His name is the Spirit of Holiness, which means that he's better at this stuff than we are.
Mike Breen:So surrender to him, and he might actually be able to supplant the tendencies to sin with the tendencies to holiness.
Mike Breen:Hey, as we finish
Heath Hollensbe:up, Mike, we finish every episode with the big three, which is three takeaways that we want our listeners to leave with.
Heath Hollensbe:Something you could get started with right now, something that we want.
Heath Hollensbe:them to really have resonating in their head
Caesar Kalinowski:for the next few weeks.
Caesar Kalinowski:Not to miss, like if they take anything away, don't miss this.
Caesar Kalinowski:And by the way, you can always get a printable PDF of each week's Big Three as a free download by going to everydaydisciple.
Caesar Kalinowski:com forward slash big three.
Mike Breen:Mike, what would, what would the big three for this week be?
Mike Breen:Well, for this week from the conversation that we just had, I would say it's really important for us to double down on our need to understand and hear the Father's voice describing us as children.
Mike Breen:So, so I think that we need to really meditate on those words spoken to Jesus, which through the covenant are spoken to us.
Mike Breen:It's not just a, it's not just a literary fiction that we're placing our name in that, in that statement.
Mike Breen:This is my son.
Mike Breen:You know, when we put our name there, this is Michael, this is Mike, that's a truth of.
Mike Breen:It's a truth of the covenant exchange that's taken place.
Mike Breen:I think the other thing that I'd say is, wherever anybody is with temptation, remember that the beginning of the conversation starts like this.
Mike Breen:There's no condemnation.
Mike Breen:It doesn't matter what you've done.
Mike Breen:There's no condemnation.
Mike Breen:And the end of the conversation, the end of the conversation is this.
Mike Breen:You actually can get to a place where if you're listening to the voice of the Father and surrendering and submitting to the presence of the Spirit, like it says in the end of Romans 8, which I've just quoted the beginning of by saying there's no condemnation, we can actually live as more than conquerors.
Caesar Kalinowski:Wow.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's good.
Caesar Kalinowski:Those are big.
Caesar Kalinowski:People are going to want to chew on those.
Caesar Kalinowski:I want to also, uh, add those, those verses, those that I'm going to put a little template where people can fill in.
Caesar Kalinowski:Their name in those two passages where the father speaks to his son.
Caesar Kalinowski:I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to, I'm going to add that to the big three too.
Caesar Kalinowski:So folks are driving right now.
Caesar Kalinowski:They're at the gym or whatever.
Caesar Kalinowski:And they're like, Oh, this is so good.
Caesar Kalinowski:I wish I had, I got that down.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's why we do the big three.
Caesar Kalinowski:It'll all be in there.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I'm going to add those verses with like a little fill in the blank.
Caesar Kalinowski:Cause that's powerful.
Caesar Kalinowski:And Mike, if we, if, uh, if we were all praying those things and saying those things over ourself and believing what the father believes is true of us, our lives would look very, very different and free.
Caesar Kalinowski:I believe.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so much
Mike Breen:freer.
Mike Breen:Here's the thing, guys.
Mike Breen:Here's the thing.
Mike Breen:This may be the last thing, really, I have to say, but it's a really interesting thing.
Mike Breen:You know, when you look at Luke's gospel, which, uh, in chapter four records Jesus going into the desert.
Mike Breen:In verse 1 it says he went into the desert full of the Holy Spirit, and then in verse 14 it says he came out of the desert full of the power of the Holy Spirit.
Mike Breen:So settling the identity in the presence of temptation is the key to the empowered life.
Caesar Kalinowski:Say that again.
Caesar Kalinowski:I just need to hear it
Mike Breen:again.
Mike Breen:Settling our identity in the presence of temptation is the key to the empowered life.
Mike Breen:Jeez, Mike!
Mike Breen:Okay, I'm
Caesar Kalinowski:going to jam that in.
Caesar Kalinowski:This is the big four this week.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's really, it's really good.
Caesar Kalinowski:And we, we've, regular listeners to the show know we talk a lot about identity and the, out of our identity, out of our believing what's true of us, according to the Father now.
Caesar Kalinowski:Uh, from that flows our authority and privilege.
Caesar Kalinowski:And that's, that's that same thing you're saying.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's so good.
Caesar Kalinowski:Wow.
Caesar Kalinowski:Mike,
Heath Hollensbe:I just want to say, you're awesome, man.
Heath Hollensbe:Thanks for joining us
Caesar Kalinowski:today.
Caesar Kalinowski:I don't think Listen, we like promoting too.
Caesar Kalinowski:We like promoting stuff.
Caesar Kalinowski:So what, what are you working on or what do you want to tell folks about?
Caesar Kalinowski:Cause right in the show notes on the site, we want to, we want to put a link to anything you want folks to be able to connect to you with.
Mike Breen:That's very kind of you.
Mike Breen:I mean, the, the, my website is michaeljamesbreen.
Mike Breen:com.
Mike Breen:So feel free to go there.
Mike Breen:There's lots of stuff on there.
Mike Breen:I love your
Caesar Kalinowski:blog, man, by the way.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's always, it's always a good, yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Good little heart grabs.
Heath Hollensbe:I'm almost certain Mike, that if you would have done the same exact interview with an American accent, it wouldn't have been nearly as.
Caesar Kalinowski:Spiritual.
Caesar Kalinowski:See, we talk about that all the time.
Caesar Kalinowski:Mike gets away with murder with this accent.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, it's just kind.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like,
Heath Hollensbe:you could tell me you hate
Caesar Kalinowski:me and it's like, let's hug.
Caesar Kalinowski:I'm probably, I should be.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, Mike, thanks again for being on and I really appreciate your time and just you and your friendship and your leadership in my life, brother.
Caesar Kalinowski:Total,
Mike Breen:total pleasure and a privilege to be with you guys.
Mike Breen:Thank you.
Mike Breen:All right, man.
Mike Breen:We'll talk to you soon.
Mike Breen:See you later.
Mike Breen:Bye.
Caesar Kalinowski:All right, brother.
Caesar Kalinowski:I hope you'll join us again next week because we're going to keep diving into discipleship and mission and gospel fluency, and hopefully helping make this all a whole lot easier for you in your everyday life.
Caesar Kalinowski:I'll talk
Mike Breen:to you soon.
Heath Hollensbe:Thanks for joining us today.
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