The Holy Spirit: From Underrated to Essential
Depending on your upbringing or past church experience, you may be “all about” the Spirit… or you may see the Holy Spirit as the weird uncle of the Trinity; he shows up once in a while to utter some strange words, and you sorta politely wait for him to leave. 🥹
In this episode of the Everyday Disciple Podcast, we talk about this least-known and most misunderstood member of the Trinity. We’ll show you why you need to get to know the Holy Spirit.
In This Episode You’ll Learn:
- The role the Spirit played throughout scripture.
- How Jesus was led and empowered throughout his entire ministry.
- Why most pastors try to assume the role that the Spirit should have in their churches.
- Natural ways to begin to have a daily relationship with the Holy Spirit.
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“When we began to believe and preach a small gospel that was man-centered and focused on our afterlife in heaven, while we attended church and tried not to sin here on Earth, we lost the one true mission of the church: make disciples of Jesus.”
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Transcript
Jesus was empowered by the Spirit to do the ministry He did.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's all through the Gospels.
Caesar Kalinowski:It always says, full of the Spirit's power, Jesus did this.
Caesar Kalinowski:Full of the Spirit's power, He healed many.
Caesar Kalinowski:All that, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Jesus was full of wisdom and knowledge by the Holy Spirit.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's Isaiah 11, 2, 2 3.
Caesar Kalinowski:Jesus spoke only the words given Him by the Spirit.
Caesar Kalinowski:It says that Jesus was raised from the dead by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Caesar Kalinowski:So, wouldn't it be great if we had the same Spirit living inside us?
Caesar Kalinowski:Guiding and empowering and giving us words to say or not say, Oh, wait, we do.
Caesar Kalinowski:We do.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:We actually do.
Caesar Kalinowski:See, we don't think of that.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so that little kid brain in me is still there like, well, Jesus of course lived this way.
Caesar Kalinowski:He's God.
Caesar Kalinowski:He's Jesus.
Caesar Kalinowski:But the truth is how did he do it?
Caesar Kalinowski:Scripture is super clear.
Caesar Kalinowski:He came as a man and I use this term, it's like with his deity veiled, it was still completely true of him.
Caesar Kalinowski:But he chose to come and take on the nature, scripture says, of a servant, a slave.
Caesar Kalinowski:But then how did he live this perfect sinless life and full of power and wisdom?
Caesar Kalinowski:All by the work of the Holy Spirit.
Heath Hollensbe:Welcome to the Everyday Disciple Podcast, where you'll learn how to live with greater intentionality and an integrated faith that naturally fits into every area of life.
Heath Hollensbe:In other words, discipleship as a lifestyle.
Heath Hollensbe:This is the stuff your parents, pastors, and seminary professors probably forgot to tell you.
Heath Hollensbe:And now, here's your host, Caesar Kalinowski.
Caesar Kalinowski:Heath, my brother, here we go.
Caesar Kalinowski:The Holy Spirit episode.
Caesar Kalinowski:Wow.
Caesar Kalinowski:I know this is like, this should be like an eight part journey or something.
Heath Hollensbe:There's so much to get to.
Heath Hollensbe:The often forgotten yet ever present Holy Spirit.
Heath Hollensbe:Right.
Heath Hollensbe:And we, we have, I'm sure some of our
Caesar Kalinowski:listeners have heard it said it's like, The, the Holy Spirit, part of the Trinity, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Super common for some churches.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's not that way.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Often he's kind of like the weird uncle of the Trinity.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like we don't quite know what to do with him and just shows up on so I'll just some weird stuff.
Caesar Kalinowski:We're kind of waiting for him to get out of here.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, like, it's like, so I actually grew up in a church where it was, there was a lot of talk about the Holy Spirit, but it wasn't always in real sane ways.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like some of it was kind of Shazam, you know, like Presto, you know,
Heath Hollensbe:he's kind of more like Aladdin.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:I was kind of, you know, and so today I think we, we're going to talk a little bit about the reality of the Holy Spirit, uh, this person and, and we're going to talk a little about what he does and what he doesn't do.
Caesar Kalinowski:And uh, and by the way, you know, right up front, see, I'm using, I'm using a male pronoun.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:Is that, that the right one?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, but you know what?
Caesar Kalinowski:Check this out.
Caesar Kalinowski:To be accurate, we would always refer to the Holy Spirit as she, because in Hebrew, it's a feminine pronoun.
Caesar Kalinowski:Isn't that something?
Caesar Kalinowski:So, for our listeners that, that never knew that, don't get a chip with me, go bust out some Hebrew, look it up, um, feminine pronouns, so it's probably more accurate if we say she.
Caesar Kalinowski:Now, I probably will revert to he in my conversations today with you, Heath, because I'm so used to saying that.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, but yeah, isn't that interesting?
Caesar Kalinowski:And it makes kind of sense because a father.
Caesar Kalinowski:sends a son to take a bride and have many offspring, the church, you know, it's, it's all amazing.
Caesar Kalinowski:Anyway, so actually I have this talk I give on, um, the feminine nature of God because God created us in his image and he created both men and women to be able to accomplish that.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right.
Caesar Kalinowski:So that, maybe that's another episode we'll do is on the feminine nature of God.
Caesar Kalinowski:Pop that in the list.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:Okay.
Heath Hollensbe:So like you said, you were in, A church that had some thoughts on the Holy Spirit.
Heath Hollensbe:I've seen churches Presto change!
Heath Hollensbe:Treat them like Aladdin with an over emphasis on the Holy Spirit.
Heath Hollensbe:I've seen others pretend like he's non existent or she's non existent in the Trinity.
Heath Hollensbe:So it's more like the Father, Son and Holy Scriptures.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah that's their Trinity.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:So who, Who is this Holy Spirit?
Heath Hollensbe:What's going on there?
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:So the Holy Spirit is God.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:So we're like the Holy Spirit's not an emotional feeling.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's not this hunch.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's not a little more zing in your step as a Christian.
Caesar Kalinowski:When you need it, we are filled.
Caesar Kalinowski:with a person, the person of God.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I mean, I mean, check this out.
Caesar Kalinowski:First Corinthians 2, 10 to 12, this verse says, Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.
Caesar Kalinowski:And this, I remember even as a young Christian, this verse kind of lit me up.
Caesar Kalinowski:It goes on and says, For who knows a person's thoughts except their own spirit within them?
Caesar Kalinowski:So I'm thinking of that going like, yeah, like my personality, who me, you know, I know me, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:In the same way, no one knows the thoughts of God.
Caesar Kalinowski:except the spirit of God.
Caesar Kalinowski:So what we have received, he's talking about the spirit here that we've received is not the spirit of the world, but the spirit who is from God.
Caesar Kalinowski:So we may understand what God has freely given us.
Caesar Kalinowski:So here's what I think Paul's saying.
Caesar Kalinowski:God's spirit is a part of God.
Caesar Kalinowski:Is that part of God that knows his thoughts?
Caesar Kalinowski:It's the essence of God's personality and wisdom and character.
Caesar Kalinowski:And now that person, that spirit that knows all of this is inside of us.
Caesar Kalinowski:It'd be like, I remember as a young Christian, like, man, I quit sinning and I'd be a lot more like Jesus if I just somehow could like take my brain out of my head and my rotten heart and stick his inside of me.
Caesar Kalinowski:Well that's kind of what's going on.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's like, who knows someone's thoughts except their spirit?
Caesar Kalinowski:Well that's God's spirit.
Caesar Kalinowski:And now that spirit dwells inside of us.
Caesar Kalinowski:right?
Caesar Kalinowski:So it's sort of like having God's own personality inside your head and your heart and your life, guiding you in all of the truth and Godness, godliness, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Isn't that man?
Caesar Kalinowski:It's just amazing to me.
Caesar Kalinowski:In fact, this is there again, because some of the ways, you know, in the churches I was raised in, and it was a little, little bit more wacky understanding of things.
Caesar Kalinowski:I remember reading this too.
Caesar Kalinowski:Uh, my favorite author, Andrew Murray says that the whole point of the cross.
Caesar Kalinowski:The reason Jesus came and died and was raised, you know, from the dead was that we could now have this indwelled spirit.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's the whole point of the cross, and I was raised, it's like, it's so you won't go to hell.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, Jesus came so you won't go to hell and you go to heaven someday.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's like, no, no, no, see, God will not dwell in the evil, you know, he won't dwell with it.
Caesar Kalinowski:He always deals with it.
Caesar Kalinowski:We learned that from the story of God, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:He always deals with it, but God wanted to be so near his people.
Caesar Kalinowski:That he sent his son so we'd be forgiven, we'd be cleansed again, and so now he can indwell us, he could closer than ever.
Caesar Kalinowski:Oh man, it's so big, Heath, it's so big.
Caesar Kalinowski:Man,
Heath Hollensbe:well at least we're not starting off this podcast very heavy, right?
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:We're jumping into it.
Heath Hollensbe:Oh, I know, but so first off.
Heath Hollensbe:Beautiful though.
Caesar Kalinowski:So big, big takeaway there, the Holy Spirit is a person, the Holy Spirit is God.
Caesar Kalinowski:So when you think of the Father and you have pictures in your mind, you're like, Oh, there's a warmth there.
Caesar Kalinowski:Hopefully, uh, when you think of Jesus and, you know, like a lot of people think like God's, you know, the Father is like the mean old God of the Old Testament.
Caesar Kalinowski:Jesus is the happy guy in the New Testament, a nice guy, whatever the Holy Spirit, we're just not sure of the, the Holy Spirit is a person.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's, it's the essence of God's being and knowledge and wisdom and the Spirit's calling.
Caesar Kalinowski:Likened to wisdom all that and it's the she again and all that so
Heath Hollensbe:so okay So as Christians, we believe that God exists as three different people in one.
Heath Hollensbe:He makes up this Trinity So you have God the Father we use that word by the way, but it's not anywhere in
Caesar Kalinowski:Scripture.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure Trinity Yeah,
Heath Hollensbe:it's it's I think it's true.
Heath Hollensbe:Absolutely.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah, sure hundred percent.
Heath Hollensbe:But yeah, but it's a threeness in one, right?
Heath Hollensbe:So God is Father God and his son Jesus and then also God is the Holy Spirit.
Heath Hollensbe:My question is, what role do the Holy Spirit have, um, or even play in Jesus's earthly life and ministry?
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah, great question.
Caesar Kalinowski:Great question, because if Jesus is God and the Father is God and so is the Spirit, then yeah, because, but here's the thing, for most of my early life as a Christian, I never picked up It seems weird now, but I never picked up that Jesus earthly ministry was guided completely by the Holy Spirit.
Caesar Kalinowski:I always thought, well, you know, Jesus is both God and man, so he knows what's up and he just naturally does everything perfect.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right.
Caesar Kalinowski:When I was a kid, you know, it's like, well, be like Jesus.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's like, well, he's God, you know, I'm not right.
Caesar Kalinowski:Well, but sort of, but it's true that Jesus is both God and man, but he, and he lived his life without ever sinning.
Caesar Kalinowski:But as a human.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like you and me, he fully submitted to and was guided by the Spirit.
Caesar Kalinowski:His life, in fact, Jesus life, is a picture of the perfect work of the Holy Spirit in man.
Caesar Kalinowski:I mean, here's a couple of examples.
Caesar Kalinowski:Luke 1.
Caesar Kalinowski:35 says, Jesus was born by the work of the Spirit.
Caesar Kalinowski:So Jesus was even conceived by the Spirit, according to Luke.
Caesar Kalinowski:Jesus was led by the Spirit to suffer temptation.
Caesar Kalinowski:And it came out spotless.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's also in Luke 4.
Caesar Kalinowski:Jesus was empowered by the spirit to do the ministry he did.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's all through the gospels.
Caesar Kalinowski:Matthew 12, Acts 10.
Caesar Kalinowski:I mean, it just, it always says in the full of the Spirit's power, Jesus did this.
Caesar Kalinowski:Full of the Spirit's power, he healed many, all that, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Jesus was full of wisdom and knowledge by the Holy Spirit.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's Isaiah 11, 2 3.
Caesar Kalinowski:Jesus spoke only the words given him by the Spirit.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's in John 3 and in John 8.
Caesar Kalinowski:It says that Jesus was raised from the dead by the power of the Holy Spirit, that's in Romans
Heath Hollensbe:8.
Caesar Kalinowski:So, wouldn't it be great if we had this same spirit living inside us, guiding and empowering and giving us words to say or not say?
Caesar Kalinowski:It would be.
Caesar Kalinowski:Oh, wait.
Heath Hollensbe:We do.
Heath Hollensbe:We do.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah, we actually
Caesar Kalinowski:do.
Caesar Kalinowski:See, we don't think of that.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so that little kid brain in me is still there like, well, Jesus, of course, lived this way.
Caesar Kalinowski:He's God.
Caesar Kalinowski:He's Jesus, you know, for crying out loud, you know, but the truth is how did he do it?
Caesar Kalinowski:scripture is super clear.
Caesar Kalinowski:He came as a man and I use this term, it's like with his deity veiled, it was still completely true of him, but he chose to come and take on the nature, scripture says, of a servant, a slave.
Caesar Kalinowski:But then how did he live this perfect, sinless life and full of power and wisdom?
Caesar Kalinowski:All by the work of the Holy Spirit.
Caesar Kalinowski:And listen to this, Romans 8, 11.
Caesar Kalinowski:The Spirit of God who raised Jesus from the dead now lives in you.
Caesar Kalinowski:And just as God raised Christ from the dead, He will give life to your mortal bodies by this same Spirit living within you.
Caesar Kalinowski:So, the same power that guided Jesus life and raised Him from the dead now lives in us.
Caesar Kalinowski:I want to suggest that's pretty powerful.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, that's amazing.
Caesar Kalinowski:The power that raised Christ from the dead, the Holy Spirit, now lives in you and I, Heath.
Caesar Kalinowski:So you think about all this stuff going on in your life, like, man, I'm having a rough day at work, harder to deal with than being raised from the dead.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, my kids just won't listen.
Caesar Kalinowski:Do you think that the power that raised Christ from dead could give you just a little more patience and grace for your kids?
Caesar Kalinowski:Like think of anything going on in your life.
Caesar Kalinowski:And if we really believed that we had the same indwelt, the personality of God, the spirit of God, the power of God, the wisdom of God that did all that in Jesus life now living in us provided by Christ.
Caesar Kalinowski:that that'd be powerful enough.
Caesar Kalinowski:Oh my goodness.
Caesar Kalinowski:It really is.
Caesar Kalinowski:It changes everything.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like I said, we either treat them like the weird, you know, the weird uncle, or like, we don't really talk about him or it's this mystical, like, Oh, but it's like, look how tangible all that stuff is in Jesus life.
Caesar Kalinowski:Same spirit of God lives in us now.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's, it's, it's mind blowing really, man.
Caesar Kalinowski:It really is.
Caesar Kalinowski:We don't tap into it ever, do we?
Caesar Kalinowski:I'm sure some of our listeners do, but I don't, I don't think, I don't think as a culture.
Caesar Kalinowski:Not very well.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah, I have a friend of mine who, uh, oftentimes after worship gatherings will say, like, Wow, I just got goosebumps in this song.
Heath Hollensbe:The Holy Spirit is here.
Heath Hollensbe:I'm like, well, man, is his role just to give us goosebumps occasionally when we hit?
Heath Hollensbe:Where was he before?
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah, like if he's just a goosebump giver, that's kind of lame.
Heath Hollensbe:But it sounds like what you're saying is this is a crazy force that has been given to us by Jesus himself.
Caesar Kalinowski:I've gotten in trouble with stuff like this before Heath because like often worship leaders like yourself.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:We'll say, we just want to invite the spirit into this place right now.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I'm like, I'm like, okay, a, he's here.
Caesar Kalinowski:If there's Christians here, because where does the spirit now dwell?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:In his people.
Caesar Kalinowski:In his people.
Caesar Kalinowski:Literally, not, not sort of mystically, figuratively kind of, sort of, if you know what I mean?
Caesar Kalinowski:No, he actually, we're the tabernacle now.
Caesar Kalinowski:We're, we're the temple.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so when a group of Christians go, we want to invite the Holy, now maybe that's a tip of the hand, like, Hey, we just want you to know we want you, you know, but that's not what it's usually said.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I've actually gotten in trouble from some higher ups over that.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like, well, that's just a, that's our tradition.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's our culture.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's bad theology.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's terrible theology.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:I think I just, okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:I'm just going to say it's our show.
Caesar Kalinowski:I think it's bad theology.
Caesar Kalinowski:The spirit in dwells us all hasn't gone anywhere.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I think we need to grow in our sensitivity.
Caesar Kalinowski:I think we don't listen very well to the spirit.
Caesar Kalinowski:I think.
Caesar Kalinowski:I think for many Christians, they almost never think of the Spirit.
Caesar Kalinowski:And if Andrew Murray is correct, and I really believe 100 percent he is, the whole point of Jesus coming and dying, the whole point of the cross, was that we would then now finally be able to be cleansed and now God could dwell with us and fill us and be so close to us all the time.
Caesar Kalinowski:And if we're not grasping that, are we really missing the whole point of the cross?
Caesar Kalinowski:Absolutely.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah,
Heath Hollensbe:I think so, man.
Heath Hollensbe:Wow.
Heath Hollensbe:That's terrifying.
Heath Hollensbe:Also, on the other hand, So what are some of the roles of the Holy Spirit, uh, for us today?
Heath Hollensbe:Like what would you say?
Heath Hollensbe:Because I think it's more than just giving us goosebumps or more than us.
Caesar Kalinowski:Well, it's it's all that same stuff that, you know, Jesus was empowered by, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:I mean, it's right.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's crazy.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like Jesus says, you can't really enter the kingdom unless you be born a second time.
Caesar Kalinowski:How?
Caesar Kalinowski:By the Spirit.
Caesar Kalinowski:So like just like he was born of the Spirit, so are we.
Caesar Kalinowski:How do we, how do we now have the power to say no to sin?
Caesar Kalinowski:just like Jesus was when he was tempted for 40 days and 40 nights by the power of the spirit.
Caesar Kalinowski:So that whole list of stuff, that's true for us.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like if I've never, I've never prayed over somebody and seen them healed on the spot.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:But if that ever happens, that'll be the work of the spirit, you know, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, absolutely.
Caesar Kalinowski:So, but, but if, you know, I could throw out a bunch of verses, but here's some, here's some, but most of our listeners would go, Oh yeah, I've heard this about the Holy Spirit and scripture.
Caesar Kalinowski:And these are all right out of scripture.
Caesar Kalinowski:But these are some of the things that the Holy Spirit does in us and for us.
Caesar Kalinowski:Bible says, Helper.
Caesar Kalinowski:Helps us.
Caesar Kalinowski:Reminds us of truth.
Caesar Kalinowski:Reminds us of the truth.
Caesar Kalinowski:Convicts us of sin.
Caesar Kalinowski:Gives life.
Caesar Kalinowski:Teaches.
Caesar Kalinowski:Leads.
Caesar Kalinowski:Counsels.
Caesar Kalinowski:Reveals the truth of God.
Caesar Kalinowski:Is an advocate for us.
Caesar Kalinowski:Comforts us.
Caesar Kalinowski:Testifies.
Caesar Kalinowski:Basically like preaches, uh, testifies about Jesus, searches the deep things of God.
Caesar Kalinowski:Now the Holy Spirit is also often referred to as the Spirit of Truth.
Caesar Kalinowski:So His desire is to lead us towards consistent obedience to the truth of the Bible and life.
Caesar Kalinowski:of Jesus that we now get to live.
Heath Hollensbe:So it's all those things that the Holy Spirit does.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah, it's amazing, right?
Heath Hollensbe:So much more than we give Him credit for.
Heath Hollensbe:Now, I might step on some toes with this next question, but I feel like I have to ask it.
Heath Hollensbe:It sounds like many of the things that you just explained are things that friends of mine, or, uh, bosses of mine, or pastors that I've worked with in the past, they try to take on all those roles for themself.
Heath Hollensbe:You know, trying to c We're the ones that are supposed to convict you of sin.
Heath Hollensbe:Some of the guys I used to read as far as, uh, Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:Like, doesn't that sound like a job description
Caesar Kalinowski:for like your average senior pastor helps reminds us of the truth, convicts you of sin, teaches, leads,
Heath Hollensbe:counsels, reveals truth, comforts, testifies about Jesus, searches into the deep truths of God.
Heath Hollensbe:So, so if that's
Caesar Kalinowski:the work of the spirit, the power that raised Christ from dead can accomplish all that.
Caesar Kalinowski:But we throw that on, we try to lump that onto like our senior pastor.
Caesar Kalinowski:He's got to do all that.
Caesar Kalinowski:She's got it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:What?
Heath Hollensbe:What?
Heath Hollensbe:What?
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:So what do you think the ramifications of church leaders trying to pull off all these tasks?
Heath Hollensbe:What do you think the ramifications of that are?
Heath Hollensbe:Well, I mean think about
Caesar Kalinowski:it.
Caesar Kalinowski:I suck at being God.
Caesar Kalinowski:How about you?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, I think this is exactly points to why there's so much burnout in ministry.
Caesar Kalinowski:I think it's exactly why we see literally thousands of pastors leaving ministry every year.
Caesar Kalinowski:You're going to try to put on, take on, people are going to put on you the work that God himself is only able to accomplish and gets to and is supposed to be accomplishing in his people's lives.
Caesar Kalinowski:And you're going to try to lump that all onto a person.
Caesar Kalinowski:I want to say the pressure's off.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's right.
Caesar Kalinowski:Listen, all you pastors out there that when I read that list, you said, that's my job description.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's right on my contract with the church or whatever I work for.
Caesar Kalinowski:I want to tell you, you can't, you might be the best guy in the world, the best pastor ever.
Caesar Kalinowski:You are not the Holy Spirit.
Caesar Kalinowski:You are not God.
Caesar Kalinowski:That is the work of the Holy Spirit.
Caesar Kalinowski:And we say often that the Holy Spirit is the primary discipler of people's hearts.
Caesar Kalinowski:We, and of course he does some of those things through us.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right.
Caesar Kalinowski:He might lead us to the truth.
Caesar Kalinowski:Through some others, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:He might convict us of our sin through a brother or sister coming to us gently saying, Hey, we talked about something, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:But that is the work of the Holy Spirit.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:Now here's one.
Caesar Kalinowski:Here's one more very cool thing that the Spirit does according to this is in John 16 8.
Caesar Kalinowski:It says, He will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment.
Caesar Kalinowski:And that is like, to me, that's like kaboom, mic drop, bomb drop and everything.
Caesar Kalinowski:This is the work of the Holy Spirit.
Caesar Kalinowski:Check this out.
Caesar Kalinowski:Those three things, he will prove the world in to be wrong about sin.
Caesar Kalinowski:Righteousness and Judgment.
Caesar Kalinowski:What's, what's this all about?
Caesar Kalinowski:He's going to prove you wrong about sin.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's not going to prove you that you're sinful.
Caesar Kalinowski:It will prove you wrong about sin.
Caesar Kalinowski:That your sin is your problem and you got to deal with it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Jeez, the Spirit will come to prove you.
Caesar Kalinowski:Nope.
Caesar Kalinowski:Your sin's been dealt with.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, it's been done.
Caesar Kalinowski:You just have to accept that truth in faith, receive that, and the Spirit comes to Without the Spirit, you, you'll, you'll, you'll live wrong understanding your sin.
Caesar Kalinowski:Think about the people that reject Jesus.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And like, I, well I'm not that sinful, or I'll, I'll, you know, I'll work on myself.
Caesar Kalinowski:I gotta get a little better before I can come to God.
Caesar Kalinowski:No, see, the Spirit comes to prove the world wrong about sin.
Caesar Kalinowski:How about wrong about righteousness?
Caesar Kalinowski:Righteousness.
Caesar Kalinowski:Your righteousness, God is not that in that, in that word in scripture, righteousness isn't sinlessness.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's not a perfect life It's not a perfect straight line of faith.
Caesar Kalinowski:Your righteousness is now the righteousness of Christ.
Caesar Kalinowski:Your righteousness is is to hang out and trust God, hang out with him.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:We think it's something else.
Caesar Kalinowski:We think, Oh, you got to work out your own righteousness.
Caesar Kalinowski:No, that's absolutely the work of God.
Caesar Kalinowski:And the spirit comes to convict us of how wrong we are about that.
Caesar Kalinowski:And then he's going to convict us and prove the world wrong about judgment.
Heath Hollensbe:Hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:See, so many of us live and we even preach this, that you're, you're, you're, you know, you're going to be judged.
Caesar Kalinowski:And we know there is a day of judgment coming.
Caesar Kalinowski:And guess what that day of judgment is, is God already judged sin.
Caesar Kalinowski:He already judged it.
Caesar Kalinowski:So bad that his son had to die to pay the price.
Caesar Kalinowski:So evil, so bad.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so, the spirit comes.
Caesar Kalinowski:to prove the world wrong about judgment is that judgment has been meted out.
Caesar Kalinowski:God, God is wrathful.
Caesar Kalinowski:God does pour out his wrath on sin and he did it on his son.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so it is finished.
Caesar Kalinowski:It is finished.
Caesar Kalinowski:Now, if you don't accept that and you don't believe that, then you're gonna, you're gonna bring judgment on yourself.
Caesar Kalinowski:Jesus says, he said, I didn't come.
Caesar Kalinowski:I didn't come to to condemn the world, but people reject me and reject this truth, and they'll what, bring judgment on themselves.
Caesar Kalinowski:But the truth is, is that sin has been dealt with and it is finished and we now have the righteousness of Christ.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's all the work of the Holy Spirit.
Caesar Kalinowski:So even as Christians, when we live under this heavy condemnation, that God's all focused on our sin and Christianity is about sin management, you know, and behavioral modification.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I don't, I don't, you know, I don't want to be judged.
Caesar Kalinowski:And it's like, you've already been judged.
Caesar Kalinowski:It was horrible enough to kill a king.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah enough to kill God's own son.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's powerful That's the work of the Spirit too, man.
Heath Hollensbe:Wow.
Heath Hollensbe:So why do you think why do you think the Spirit gets so misrepresented and forgotten and underutilized?
Heath Hollensbe:Why is that part of the jam he gets?
Heath Hollensbe:I never thought about
Caesar Kalinowski:it till right now like how does the Spirit feel about the way we think of the spirit, him, her, you know, God.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, I've thought about this, like, like, like I said, we, in some, in some faith communities, he's, he's overrepresented and in a sense of like, it's like, that's not even true.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's, that's like hocus pocus.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's weird.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, um, um, some it's like, it is kind of forgotten.
Caesar Kalinowski:I think we all under utilize, maybe that's a weird word, but you know, we under realize benefit, enjoy the fact that God indwells us now.
Caesar Kalinowski:I think part of it's because the spirit is.
Caesar Kalinowski:spiritual.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's, it, to understand the spirit and the things of the spirit is spiritual.
Caesar Kalinowski:And unfortunately, so much of our Christianity still works itself out through doing to be, you know, do to be mentality.
Caesar Kalinowski:Meaning if your faith is largely on don't do this, Do these things.
Caesar Kalinowski:Do this to become a Christian.
Caesar Kalinowski:Don't do this after becoming a Christian.
Caesar Kalinowski:Once you're a Christian, you start doing this list of things, spiritual things, you know, but they're not, they're physical things.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so if, if our, if our large sort of dom, you know, dominant understanding of our faith and Christianity and relationship with God is doing to be, that's all real material.
Caesar Kalinowski:Whereas the spirit, you know, it's a whole different wavelength.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's a whole nother way.
Caesar Kalinowski:And that's why you remember the conversation that Jesus had with Nicodemus But he says unless a man be born a second time of the Holy Spirit Then he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:And he's like, oh, what are you talking about?
Caesar Kalinowski:I can climb up back into your mother and be born again like come out of her womb a second time Yeah, so he's thinking physical physical and and Jesus like you don't understand this simple truth Wow.
Caesar Kalinowski:See, in that line right there when Jesus says, you don't understand this simple truth and how will you understand me when I talk about the things of heaven and bigger things, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:And I'm going, that's a simple thing.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay, wait a minute.
Caesar Kalinowski:Jesus is calling that a simple thing.
Caesar Kalinowski:We got to understand this.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like scripture says that that flesh only gives birth to human flesh, but the spirit gives new life in the kingdom.
Caesar Kalinowski:So Jesus calls this the simple truth.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's like, we got to get this.
Caesar Kalinowski:We got to get this, that all the things that we do and adhere to and raise our hand to and sing about and all that, none of that has really almost anything, if anything, to do with life in the kingdom.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's a spiritual realm.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's, he says, the kingdom of God.
Caesar Kalinowski:of God, Jesus says, is within you.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's where the rule and reign of his father is actually happening because we're submitting to that.
Caesar Kalinowski:And that's a spiritual submission.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah,
Caesar Kalinowski:it's a spiritual thing.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I think, I think just like Nicodemus was confused, I think today we still are because so much we think of Christianity, we think of the church.
Caesar Kalinowski:We call the building a church.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's not what, you know, we call singing, worship, sorta, not really, you know, like it's all do it's all do.
Caesar Kalinowski:And that's, and I think that's why we miss it.
Caesar Kalinowski:I really do.
Heath Hollensbe:So what would you say for those of us who are hearing this teaching and going, I want to grow in, depending on the spirit more and more, what would be some simple steps that you would say we could start with?
Caesar Kalinowski:This is kind of an oldie, buddy, goodie.
Caesar Kalinowski:I would say, um, ask, listen, obey, like ask the spirit for help in your life.
Caesar Kalinowski:Ask the spirit for insight.
Caesar Kalinowski:I, I've, I've been learning later in life to, when I'm in a conversation with someone, I can be listening physically with one ear and I kind of can be listening to the other ear to the spirit and praying like, Holy Spirit, what's really going on in this person's life right now?
Caesar Kalinowski:What's the thing behind the thing that's causing them so much pain or why they so excited about this or jacked up around it or what's going on there?
Caesar Kalinowski:And so, um, learning to listen, ask the spirit.
Caesar Kalinowski:right?
Caesar Kalinowski:For help.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like, no, it's just having an expectancy that God indwelling me, the power of the raised Christian dead, ask the Spirit.
Caesar Kalinowski:Then listen to what the Spirit says.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like, well, the Spirit seems to be saying this, And then obey what the Spirit tells you to do.
Caesar Kalinowski:And we practice, in our community, we practice this simple thing we call, What's next, Lord?
Heath Hollensbe:That's awesome.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Which is so kind of, wow.
Caesar Kalinowski:Really?
Caesar Kalinowski:What's, what's, what's next, Lord?
Caesar Kalinowski:It's just that.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like, in any situation in discipleship, with someone that you're hoping to, to lead to faith or disciple to, from one part of unbelief to belief in their life, it's like, I don't know how to do that.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know what?
Caesar Kalinowski:Let's ask.
Caesar Kalinowski:What's next, Lord?
Caesar Kalinowski:Let's ask the Spirit.
Caesar Kalinowski:What's next with that person?
Caesar Kalinowski:What's the next conversation I should have?
Caesar Kalinowski:What's the next activity?
Caesar Kalinowski:What's the next thing I should ask you for in their life?
Caesar Kalinowski:I don't know how to do that.
Caesar Kalinowski:Can you help with that?
Caesar Kalinowski:It's like, and I don't need 10 of them.
Caesar Kalinowski:I just need what's next, Lord.
Caesar Kalinowski:And that's that simple, ask, listen, and obey.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I don't think God's vindictive or anything, but I also don't think God wastes and, and I think he stewards himself as well as anybody.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so when God speaks and we hear him, but then we don't do what he says, I kind of feel like.
Caesar Kalinowski:Over time we might, he might just be kind of wait, he might stop talking to us, you know, like, Hey, last time you asked me I said that, last time, I said the same thing the next time, I said, You're still not, you're still not doing that, so, I'll be, I'm waiting for ya, why don't you go ahead and do that?
Caesar Kalinowski:And what we're saying if we don't obey is we really don't trust him.
Caesar Kalinowski:And this whole relationship is about trust.
Caesar Kalinowski:Trust, another word for trust, faith.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so I think, I think what's next Lord, this ask, listen, and obey is pretty, is pretty simple, but it's pretty key.
Caesar Kalinowski:I mean, you can study all you want.
Heath Hollensbe:But you have to be led by the Spirit.
Caesar Kalinowski:You
Caesar Kalinowski:have to be led by the Spirit.
Heath Hollensbe:That's beautiful, man.
Heath Hollensbe:Hey, let's move on because we're running out of time to the big three.
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Heath Hollensbe:com forward slash big three Caesar What are the big three for this week?
Caesar Kalinowski:All right, here we go big three first one.
Caesar Kalinowski:The Holy Spirit's a person The Spirit is God.
Caesar Kalinowski:I don't want people to miss that Okay Jesus died that we might truly be one with him and the Father and Really know God's heart and mind and that's the work of the Holy Spirit in our lives We will never rightly know God through knowledge alone.
Caesar Kalinowski:By the way, our brains are flesh, okay?
Caesar Kalinowski:Mm-Hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, we just won't.
Caesar Kalinowski:Jesus said that no one can enter the kingdom of God, which means to live under God's loving rule in their lives until they're born of the Spirit.
Caesar Kalinowski:So this is big.
Caesar Kalinowski:This is, this is a person and this is big, and this is how we'll truly know God.
Caesar Kalinowski:Second, God has given you himself so he can always be with you.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like, think about that.
Caesar Kalinowski:Wow.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so you can walk closely with him and you can live in his ways.
Caesar Kalinowski:And if you're a believer of Jesus, the Bible teaches that you have been given God's own indwelling spirit.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's true of you.
Caesar Kalinowski:And he wants to daily, moment by moment, speak with you and guide you and remind you of his love for you.
Caesar Kalinowski:So cool.
Caesar Kalinowski:Third one is, and this is sort of practical end of it here, is practice listening prayer with God.
Caesar Kalinowski:Instead of prayer times being filled with mostly just telling God what you want him to do for you and for others, try spending time just listening for his voice, listening for him to speak to you.
Caesar Kalinowski:And if you feel like you rarely hear God speak, I hear that from people all the time, it may be that you're not listening.
Caesar Kalinowski:Try starting off with like 10 minutes a day of silent listening to God.
Caesar Kalinowski:I think you'll be astounded by what he's been waiting to tell you.
Caesar Kalinowski:Wow.
Caesar Kalinowski:So cool.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, it's the first thing I usually hear, like when I just quiet myself and go, I hear your voice, Father.
Caesar Kalinowski:First thing I usually hear, I swear, I love you, son.
Caesar Kalinowski:Wow.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's the coolest thing.
Caesar Kalinowski:I mean, some people say, I've never heard that from my earthly father.
Caesar Kalinowski:Your heavenly dad is waiting to tell you that.
Caesar Kalinowski:I mean, and I just, so many people, I just, I don't think I really hear God's voice.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's like, do you listen?
Caesar Kalinowski:Hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:I usually bust out my to do list.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:So there you go.
Caesar Kalinowski:There's the big three.
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Caesar Kalinowski:Awesome.
Caesar Kalinowski:Well, that's it for today.
Caesar Kalinowski:I hope that this has given you plenty to think about, and I hope you'll share this episode with others in your life and in church.
Caesar Kalinowski:And please join us again next week.
Caesar Kalinowski:We will continue to look at how the good news of the gospel speaks into and reshapes everything about everything.
Caesar Kalinowski:Alright, I'll talk to you soon.
Heath Hollensbe:Thanks for joining us today.
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