Hugh Halter: An Apostle’s Story
Do apostles still walk among us today? Are there people God sends to proclaim the Good News to the lost and broken, sparking new movements and bringing his Kingdom to life here on Earth?
In this episode of the Everyday Disciple Podcast, Caesar talks with his close friend, author, and modern apostle, Hugh Halter. Hugh’s story of starting fresh in a new city will inspire you to see that God is still actively building His Kingdom—and maybe He’s inviting you to be part of it, too!
In This Episode You’ll Learn:
- Why Hugh chose to uproot his family from comfort and move to a broken, struggling community.
- The key difference between “planting a church” and “planting the gospel.”
- How a network of small, micro-communities focused on blessing others is transforming a Midwestern city.
- Powerful lessons on trusting God when his call feels overwhelming.
From this episode:
“I tell people there is nothing that you can do that would make it easier to ‘gospel a city’ than to actually do what the city needs done. Instead of planning a church service, start a business. Meet the needs of a city and its people. It’s just been an amazing story of personal movement and spiritual movement with people.” ~ Hugh Halter
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Transcript
You know what I've done?
Hugh Halter:I've mostly been training church planters.
Hugh Halter:People are starting new church experiences all over.
Hugh Halter:I tell them now there's nothing that you could do that would make it easier to gospel a city than to actually do what the city needs done.
Hugh Halter:So instead of just planting a church, plant a business.
Heath Hollensbe:The Everyday Disciple Podcast, where you'll learn how to live with greater intentionality and an integrated faith that naturally fits into every area of life.
Heath Hollensbe:In other words, discipleship as a lifestyle.
Heath Hollensbe:This is the stuff your parents, pastors, and seminary professors probably forgot to tell you.
Heath Hollensbe:And now, here's your host, Caesar Kalinowski.
Caesar Kalinowski:Heath, my brother, we're back!
Caesar Kalinowski:We are back.
Caesar Kalinowski:We are back together, and it has seriously become summer.
Caesar Kalinowski:Are your kids out of school yet?
Heath Hollensbe:Yep, just finished.
Heath Hollensbe:They, uh, now Kathleen gets to wrangle.
Heath Hollensbe:No, you know, we homeschool, so we get to set our own schedule.
Heath Hollensbe:Um, but yep, they're officially done for the year.
Heath Hollensbe:Right now everybody's going, oh, homeschoolers.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:No, I don't know.
Heath Hollensbe:So it's not like she really even gets a break.
Heath Hollensbe:Does it change much for her?
Caesar Kalinowski:Doesn't really change?
Caesar Kalinowski:It's not like she's like, okay, I love summer or I hate summer.
Caesar Kalinowski:No.
Caesar Kalinowski:But it's gotta be easier because she's not having to like, alright, homework, guys, come on.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:There's not the chasing, it's not the balancing act.
Heath Hollensbe:She's not chasing
Caesar Kalinowski:11 kids every day.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah,
Heath Hollensbe:exactly.
Heath Hollensbe:To get their homework done.
Heath Hollensbe:And she also, you know, it's beautiful weather, kids are outside all day.
Heath Hollensbe:I mean, they'll play, our kids are outside all day long.
Heath Hollensbe:I can't, I can't tell
Caesar Kalinowski:anymore, because, you know, you live one spot, but like here where we live, kids seem to have gotten out of school different, depending which school they go to.
Caesar Kalinowski:Age, private school, not.
Caesar Kalinowski:If they're homeschool, part of a, a network, so sometimes they go off.
Caesar Kalinowski:But all of a sudden, I just see a lot more kids around the last week, week and a half.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's fun, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Neighborhood gets a little bit louder.
Caesar Kalinowski:I'm digging it, though, because we kind of have an open yard policy here.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like, and there's, I don't know, we seem to have all boys in the neighborhood, you know?
Caesar Kalinowski:And so like, they'll knock a ball in the yard or something, freak out, Sorry sir!
Caesar Kalinowski:I'm like, nope, that's what a yard's for.
Caesar Kalinowski:Play in the yard, I don't care, try not to break a window, if you do, we'll get it fixed.
Caesar Kalinowski:Don't cut yourself, just come and get me, it's all good.
Caesar Kalinowski:And they have actually, I've had stuff broken, and they come, so sorry!
Caesar Kalinowski:And I'm like, you're safe, you're cool, no one's bleeding, no.
Caesar Kalinowski:All right, great, we'll fix it.
Caesar Kalinowski:I'm like, well, let's get it taped up, you know?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:How cool.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, so I'm kind of, I think I'm known as the guy who's cool about it, and some of the parents are like, It's so cool you let the boys play in the yard, because when our yards connect together, Yeah, it's like a football field length, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, yeah, it's massive, no fencing, so.
Heath Hollensbe:Hey, so we got a guy on today that shares my initials, double H's.
Caesar Kalinowski:Double H's.
Caesar Kalinowski:So right at the top of the show, you heard a little bit of Hugh Halter, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:My good buddy.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:Just kind of throwing hard there.
Caesar Kalinowski:And uh, here's what's, here's what's going to happen in this show today.
Caesar Kalinowski:So me and Hugh Halter, some of you don't know who he is, but he's a really good friend of mine.
Caesar Kalinowski:He's an author and speaker and actually like a modern day apostle.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I'm not saying like capital A in the, in the lineage of St.
Caesar Kalinowski:Peter.
Caesar Kalinowski:I'm just saying like, he's, he's got that gifting.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:When you look at Ephesians four, he's an apostle, much like myself, but he's also an evangelist, like his heart for people and people far from dad.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's amazing, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:And so, uh, he's had a lot of changes in his life lately, some of which I knew of because we're buddies, but some of, some of which I've not really gotten the latest update.
Caesar Kalinowski:So what you're going to hear today is a little bit different because I wanted to catch up with you.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I knew it'd be like funny and I knew it'd be like, what are you doing?
Caesar Kalinowski:How's God doing?
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, and I, but I thought, let me, I want to record it.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I asked him if I could, just so we could share it.
Caesar Kalinowski:And it really is.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's like this, if you want to know what, like, what's an apostle look like today, you know, he's not wearing sandals usually, you know, like whatever, actually roaming around.
Caesar Kalinowski:He's got a truck, you know, and motorcycles and stuff.
Caesar Kalinowski:But, um, what does it look like when someone shows up in a new town?
Caesar Kalinowski:Why?
Caesar Kalinowski:Because God sent them not here, but there.
Caesar Kalinowski:And then.
Caesar Kalinowski:What happens?
Caesar Kalinowski:And then like, is God showing up or is it all hard work or you know, so it's, it's, it's an amazing story of what he's up to in Alton, Illinois.
Caesar Kalinowski:I don't want to say a whole lot more, but I just want to let people know.
Caesar Kalinowski:So he's, he's the author of the tangible kingdom.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:Uh, and him and Matt Smay, another great guy, they wrote tangible kingdom and then the tangible kingdom primer, which came out, it's the eight week thing, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Many of you have used that.
Caesar Kalinowski:I had the privilege of, uh, editing that.
Caesar Kalinowski:We started building a relationship that way.
Caesar Kalinowski:And then we've got, we, we did journeyman together where we would get guys together in his ranch in, in Colorado there in Denver area and just be super manly.
Caesar Kalinowski:And he had the best, he had the best saloon like slash pub you've ever seen.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's so cool.
Caesar Kalinowski:Some of our listeners have seen pictures, I know.
Caesar Kalinowski:Anyway, so he and I are very close and we laugh a lot and I don't know anybody who loves people and Jesus more, seriously.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's who he's also, he's written other books like so many other, I mean.
Caesar Kalinowski:Oh yeah,
Heath Hollensbe:Bivo was a great one AND was an amazing book.
Caesar Kalinowski:AND he also wrote with.
Caesar Kalinowski:Smay, he wrote Brimstone, which is like, it's got like a super pissed off guy just in heaven waiting to bust everybody.
Caesar Kalinowski:No, that's not his heart.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's great.
Caesar Kalinowski:So, anyway, let's go ahead and throw to the interview, you're gonna love it, and then we'll come back at the end like we normally do, um, kind of give a little of our thoughts, and then, um, I'm gonna give you my big three takeaways, cool?
Caesar Kalinowski:Awesome, cool, let's listen.
Caesar Kalinowski:So, Hugh Halter, way too long.
Caesar Kalinowski:That we have spoken, actually, not so long since we've spoken, way too long since we've done some stuff together.
Caesar Kalinowski:What's up with that?
Hugh Halter:You know, Caesar, that beautiful ranch we had where we would hang out and, encourage pastors together.
Hugh Halter:ride motorcycles, all that stuff.
Hugh Halter:I guess those days are behind us,
Caesar Kalinowski:but it was, it was awesome, wasn't it?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, I don't want it to be behind us.
Caesar Kalinowski:I still want to ride motorcycles and, you know, drink the occasional Jameson and encourage pastors together.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, well, if you would, you would quit crashing on your motorcycles, that would help.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's way behind me.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's like it never happened.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's like, it's like that commercial, like it never happened.
Caesar Kalinowski:Hey, so how long, when we were doing a lot of that stuff, you were still in Denver.
Caesar Kalinowski:How long have you been in Alton, Illinois now?
Caesar Kalinowski:And why did you originally move there?
Caesar Kalinowski:Like, what was the goal?
Caesar Kalinowski:Like we're moving to Alton from beautiful Denver, uh, and the ranch and all that, because of why, how long you've been there and why'd you go there originally?
Hugh Halter:Well, I can make lots of jokes about it, but bottom line was that, uh, you know, our son had really severe epilepsy most of his life.
Hugh Halter:So, you know, seven years ago, we find this assisted living center for him.
Hugh Halter:I was in Alton.
Hugh Halter:And, uh, that's what actually made us buy the, the ranch.
Hugh Halter:It was the first time Cheryl and I had just been able to live our own lives without caring for his sort of hourly needs with the seizure disorder and all that.
Hugh Halter:So when he finally came out here, we were like, Hey, let's live a little.
Hugh Halter:And we got that ranch because Cheryl always wanted to have horses.
Hugh Halter:And so we were, I think we were probably two years into just loving life on this ranch.
Hugh Halter:And, uh,
Caesar Kalinowski:in, in Denver, you mean?
Hugh Halter:and Denver.
Hugh Halter:And, uh, and then, you know, we go visit Ryan about four times a year and every time we'd fly into, you know, you'd fly into St.
Hugh Halter:Louis.
Hugh Halter:You drive through, you know, Ferguson area and you go over a bridge and you dump down into this little river town out to 50, 000 people total.
Hugh Halter:But it was, you know, beautiful town, but it was just bombed out.
Hugh Halter:There was nothing going on.
Hugh Halter:Couldn't find a cup of coffee in the entire downtown.
Hugh Halter:No breakfast joint.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's not good news.
Hugh Halter:No, no, it's terrible.
Hugh Halter:And you know, a lot of buildings boarded up.
Hugh Halter:Then we start to sniff around.
Hugh Halter:We start to hear the story of, of how this town, Towns lost a lot of their industry, uh, back in the sixties and seventies.
Hugh Halter:And so it lost about half his population.
Hugh Halter:So you can imagine, you know, just trying to keep a business alive was difficult.
Hugh Halter:So we finally make a long story short, we were just having dinner at a little Italian joint one night and talking to a waitress that was sharing about her drug issues and, And walking out, Cheryl just goes, Hey, why don't we sell the ranch and move here, see if we can help out.
Hugh Halter:Wow.
Hugh Halter:And, uh, that was literally what started the story, started a big fight between Cheryl and I too, for about two weeks.
Hugh Halter:Cause I was actually kind of loving the ranch.
Caesar Kalinowski:I know, I, you, you didn't even complain, you didn't even complain about getting up at like the crack of dawn every day freezing cold and mucking out piles of poo and everything, yeah, it was, you were amazing about it, it was like you were in your element there.
Caesar Kalinowski:I had that, that, Killer Irish
Hugh Halter:bar in the middle of this, you know, the old saloon and the saloon.
Hugh Halter:Oh my God, build that thing with guys that just love.
Hugh Halter:I mean, it was just a great place to live and do life and ministry.
Hugh Halter:So no reason to leave there for sure.
Hugh Halter:How long ago did you move
Caesar Kalinowski:to Alton then?
Caesar Kalinowski:Three years.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:And did you think like, well, we're just going to get on the ground and see what God shows us?
Caesar Kalinowski:Or did you have some plans like, okay, Let's like start a business and hire a bunch of broke people or let's open up a pub or let's finally open a coffee shop Or what did you think like?
Caesar Kalinowski:Hey, we're gonna go like it's three years is enough time to go Hey, it wasn't what we thought it's this now
Hugh Halter:No, I would say it was the first we we showed up We had no idea, you know, I had planted churches in the past, but I I did not feel like God was gonna have us Rewind that story Um, I did about, you know, three months in, I tried to buy a little tiny broken down boarded up gas station to try to make my own coffee shop.
Hugh Halter:I thought, screw it, if nobody's gonna buy coffee, at least I will have coffee for me.
Hugh Halter:So, um, that deal fell through, and so I, I sort of made a commitment to the Lord and to Cheryl, I would not try to, you know, make it happen or pursue things too fast.
Hugh Halter:And then it was just a little bit after that, I had a very fateful car drive with a gentleman named John that I, I didn't really know that well at all, and it, it changed our entire history and story of what's going on with us now.
Caesar Kalinowski:Wow, is that a setup?
Caesar Kalinowski:Let's go to a commercial.
Caesar Kalinowski:We don't even have commercials.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay, so what, what changed?
Caesar Kalinowski:What happened on that fateful drive?
Hugh Halter:Well, I was with a guy that started a very successful law firm and he's from this area and when the rest of the town was dying, he was building this pretty amazing Business.
Hugh Halter:And, um, so he had, he had bought in some buildings.
Hugh Halter:Apparently I didn't know this, but he just said, Hey, let's take a drive in my car.
Hugh Halter:I want to show you some buildings I own.
Hugh Halter:And, uh, and he pulled up in front of this old federal post office and you've probably have one in your town.
Hugh Halter:Most towns have the old You know, they're huge pillars.
Hugh Halter:They say United States Post Office on the front.
Hugh Halter:They're super elaborate.
Hugh Halter:You're like, wow, is this how they used to look?
Hugh Halter:Yeah, seriously.
Hugh Halter:And so he pulls up in front of that and goes, yeah, what do you think about that?
Hugh Halter:And I said, oh, it's big.
Hugh Halter:It's nice.
Hugh Halter:And, uh, and we just started to talk and he was like, you know, I think I want to give this to you.
Hugh Halter:I think you'll know what to do to help this town.
Hugh Halter:Wow.
Hugh Halter:And, uh, I said, no, cause I, I still want to move back in Denver at that point of the stories, but, uh,
Caesar Kalinowski:you're still hoping, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:We gave it a shot, you know?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Hugh Halter:I mean, four months, but, uh, he gave me the key said, Hey, just, you know, keep the key for a month or two.
Hugh Halter:If you really don't want the building, then give it back to me.
Hugh Halter:And, uh, we'll just, And so I got, you know, the family and I walked through it because it wasn't just Cheryl and I, my, uh, my two adult daughters and their one husband, one fiancé, they all decided to move with us.
Hugh Halter:So it was kind of a big family mission venture.
Caesar Kalinowski:No kidding.
Caesar Kalinowski:I know.
Caesar Kalinowski:I love it.
Hugh Halter:And we just started to talk about it and we went, oh, we know exactly what to do.
Hugh Halter:And so the vision really became to create the living room for our city.
Hugh Halter:You know, a place where the People, hey, all day long, do their business there, do their meetings, meet people, you know, 40 percent of our town is African American, uh, they don't traditionally hang in the downtown sector at all, um, they were essentially redlined out of the downtown business community years ago, so, um, we thought, what if we could create a place that would bring people together in this town.
Hugh Halter:So yeah,
Caesar Kalinowski:amazing.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's what we did.
Caesar Kalinowski:I can super relate in two ways.
Caesar Kalinowski:I gotta, I just got to interject here.
Caesar Kalinowski:One was years ago, Tina and I bought an old Masonic temple.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like that kind of sounds like what you, when you pulled up and you saw this place and you went through it, you're like, you're some, yeah, it stinks.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's weird.
Caesar Kalinowski:Your stomach kind of drops because you, you realize there's a part of your heart going, I could maybe do this.
Caesar Kalinowski:And you're like, don't do it.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know?
Caesar Kalinowski:And that's how we felt.
Caesar Kalinowski:We were like, uh, and it was.
Caesar Kalinowski:Too good to be true.
Caesar Kalinowski:We got it for like pennies and it was like, but we did it.
Caesar Kalinowski:And it was like, we always called it the blessing and the curse.
Caesar Kalinowski:It was so big and so heavy, but it was such a blessing to so many people and including us and getting to do ministry out of there and all.
Caesar Kalinowski:But, and then the second thing I can relate to is, Sort of having a place that's like everybody's living room or like in our case, which with the Chaka bra with the restaurant, it's everybody's dining room, you know, because everybody just hates it.
Caesar Kalinowski:And we ran that place for eight years as sort of the place and it still is.
Caesar Kalinowski:Now we've, we've sold it and we sold it to a guy who's kind of come from a restaurant family.
Caesar Kalinowski:So he, he still gets it and it's, it's, it's slightly different, but he still maintains it and it's busy as heck and everybody loves it.
Caesar Kalinowski:We still eat there all the time.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's great, but.
Caesar Kalinowski:What a
Caesar Kalinowski:lot of work though, brother, that from this point of your story ahead.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I remember when you were starting, you told me, Hey, this guy gave me a post office in the Mississippi.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I'm like, what?
Caesar Kalinowski:And you're like, yeah, so I'm out trying to figure out how to get the money to rehab it.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I'm like, what do you need?
Caesar Kalinowski:And it was like hundreds of thousands.
Caesar Kalinowski:I'm thinking like, maybe I could send you, you know, a grand to help out or something.
Hugh Halter:I figured, you know, in my head, I needed a half a million bucks.
Hugh Halter:You know, all the windows were boarded up.
Hugh Halter:It had not been in operation for 60 years.
Hugh Halter:So I figured new plumbing, new electrical, new, new windows, new everything.
Hugh Halter:So, but it had amazing bones.
Hugh Halter:It's all cinder block, you know, in fact, the fire marshal did not even ask me to put sprinklers in because he goes, there's nothing to burn here.
Hugh Halter:Everything is cement.
Hugh Halter:If nothing
Caesar Kalinowski:can burn, don't need sprinklers.
Hugh Halter:So anyway, so when we started to raise money, um, I remembered one gentleman from Iowa that said, When you guys figure out what God wants you to do there, we want to help out.
Hugh Halter:So I called him and said, Hey Al, I got a, I got a key to a building.
Hugh Halter:And he goes, take it.
Hugh Halter:And I was like, well, Al, it's going to cost a lot.
Hugh Halter:And, uh, you know, and again, I'm still trying to get back to Denver.
Hugh Halter:So I'm trying to talk him out of giving me money.
Hugh Halter:So I'm like, no, I know you guys give to a lot of, you know, great things.
Hugh Halter:So I don't want to presume you still want to.
Hugh Halter:help us out.
Hugh Halter:But he said, just, you know, what do you guys need?
Hugh Halter:And so he made a commitment over the phone right then before I'd even really said yes to the building.
Hugh Halter:He said, I'll give you guys
Caesar Kalinowski:300, 000.
Caesar Kalinowski:Wow.
Caesar Kalinowski:So there's a big swipe 300 K against maybe a potential half million dollar need.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's giant.
Hugh Halter:Yeah.
Hugh Halter:It was like crap.
Hugh Halter:I think this is what God's doing.
Hugh Halter:So what are you going to say now?
Hugh Halter:What do you say to
Caesar Kalinowski:dad now?
Caesar Kalinowski:Hey dad, I don't want to do this.
Hugh Halter:Seriously.
Hugh Halter:Yeah.
Hugh Halter:Yeah.
Hugh Halter:It's not enough.
Hugh Halter:Wow.
Hugh Halter:So then I was speaking at a men's retreat a few weeks later, bunch of guys.
Hugh Halter:I don't know.
Hugh Halter:down in East Bay, you know, Silicon Valley guys.
Hugh Halter:And, uh, those guys heard the story of what we were thinking of doing during the retreat.
Hugh Halter:And, uh, a bunch of those guys, seven, seven of those guys literally threw in 150, 000 and they didn't know me at all.
Hugh Halter:They, you know, so all of a sudden I had 450, 450 as we say.
Hugh Halter:Yeah.
Hugh Halter:So then the mayor and the city said, you know, we will help you.
Hugh Halter:So they, they threw in about.
Hugh Halter:Well, just about 60, maybe 75, 000.
Hugh Halter:Wow.
Hugh Halter:That's a lot for a municipality, especially a broke one.
Hugh Halter:Yep.
Hugh Halter:So it, you know, we were able to, I basically took 12 months and just were, you know, 16 hours a day putting this building back together.
Hugh Halter:So we opened up a year and a half ago.
Hugh Halter:So I worked on it a year.
Hugh Halter:I remember.
Hugh Halter:We opened up in January of, uh, 17, 18, whatever that was.
Hugh Halter:And it, it literally took the town, you know, I mean, I wouldn't want to say by storm, but we were the only thing that people were talking about for that first couple of months.
Caesar Kalinowski:And nothing's happened, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Talk about a picture of good news and redemption and restoration.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I mean, that's just good news all over it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Oh man.
Caesar Kalinowski:It
Hugh Halter:was.
Hugh Halter:So, you know, and we can talk about this more, but it, it was.
Hugh Halter:You know, I, you know what I've done.
Hugh Halter:I've mostly been training church planters.
Hugh Halter:People are starting new church experiences all over the world, and I tell them now, there's nothing that you could do that would make it easier to gospel a city than to actually do what the city needs done.
Hugh Halter:Yeah.
Hugh Halter:So instead of just planting a church plant, plant a business, plant a,
Caesar Kalinowski:instead of planting a church service, what do they need?
Caesar Kalinowski:They don't need another church service.
Caesar Kalinowski:Trust me, look in a phone book, you know?
Caesar Kalinowski:So now this place is called the post and what does it function like every day?
Caesar Kalinowski:What's, what's happening today?
Caesar Kalinowski:What's going on every day, every morning, every, so from seven
Hugh Halter:to four o'clock, uh, Monday through Friday, we are an all day brunch cafe, high end coffee shop.
Hugh Halter:And, uh, and then.
Hugh Halter:Really, I think we're the premier event center in town now, so we do a lot of next seven weeks.
Hugh Halter:We have pretty high end weddings going on the
Caesar Kalinowski:weekends.
Caesar Kalinowski:So do, do you make a little cash for that?
Caesar Kalinowski:I mean, you're charging on something that's like, helps, but it's profitable for you guys to help pay the bills and
Hugh Halter:Yeah.
Hugh Halter:The, the, uh, you know, the coughing, the food as you know, just barely covers employees and keeps the building alive.
Hugh Halter:But yeah, the events are probably where we make most of our profit.
Caesar Kalinowski:I'm just curious because I know people listening to be going like, okay, so not everybody's going to find a half million dollars to renovate something cool, but God moves in crazy ways, but then you still got to keep the lights on.
Caesar Kalinowski:So I'm just, yeah, I'm just asking some of my business background.
Caesar Kalinowski:I have to.
Hugh Halter:So that's basically the plan.
Hugh Halter:We're going to start a roastery here and hopefully about six months, there'll be another business that will.
Hugh Halter:begin to kick off out of there.
Hugh Halter:We think we'll do pretty well.
Caesar Kalinowski:How much square footage are you not using in that building yet?
Caesar Kalinowski:Or have you already kind of like figured out all the corners and you're using it?
Hugh Halter:No, we're using probably 9, 000 of 12, 000 square feet, but we're about to open up the basement as kind of a shared office.
Hugh Halter:Uh, Business Incubator Space, and let people get down there and um,
Caesar Kalinowski:And what about, what about resurrecting the idea of like a micro distillery?
Caesar Kalinowski:Maybe that should be at the post.
Hugh Halter:Well,
Caesar Kalinowski:Caesar, you know me.
Hugh Halter:It's, it's, I still wake up.
Hugh Halter:I, I think it could potentially be there.
Hugh Halter:We've got the room for it, but as you know, you know, it's a quarter million bucks to start a distillery.
Hugh Halter:So
Caesar Kalinowski:yeah, another half nod.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Hugh Halter:Yeah.
Hugh Halter:When I get an extra quarter mil, then we might make a, make a play at that.
Caesar Kalinowski:Oh, I just happened to have that sitting on my desk and I didn't know what to do with it today.
Caesar Kalinowski:So that's done and done.
Caesar Kalinowski:I'll send that right on over.
Caesar Kalinowski:Thank you.
Caesar Kalinowski:I have to go here.
Caesar Kalinowski:So now the post is up and running and it's clearly good news.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I, I I've not been there yet, which I apologize for, but I, I'm, I want to post.
Caesar Kalinowski:Uh, link of some pictures because people are going to be listening to this going like, what's it look like?
Caesar Kalinowski:So maybe you can help me out with some, a link to like some sort of before and after pictures.
Caesar Kalinowski:If you've got them stashed somewhere.
Caesar Kalinowski:Totally.
Caesar Kalinowski:But, uh, but people are gonna want to see it, but, but I've seen the pictures and so I can kind of get, it's not that unlike Chakobron in a sense.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's just kind of hipster y claimed coolness.
Caesar Kalinowski:And, um, but, but real open.
Caesar Kalinowski:I love it.
Caesar Kalinowski:I love the tall ceilings and all that, but now that this thing's running for a bit, How's it led to opportunities for the gospel and additional community and community involvement for you and, and, you know, and the team and the family and all that, like the good news going out and the reputation of being good newsers.
Caesar Kalinowski:I know it's not just like goods and services, so how, what's it leading to?
Hugh Halter:So we have, you know, a little missionary community, about 30 people that meet every other Sunday night, and we call that the side door gathering.
Hugh Halter:Um, we, we
Caesar Kalinowski:don't want staff and, and friends of staff and kind of like your, your, uh, your oikos.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Hugh Halter:Yeah.
Hugh Halter:People literally have asked us why we're doing this, you know, so some people had given up on church.
Hugh Halter:Some.
Hugh Halter:had never been in church, but are moving, you know, towards the gospel.
Hugh Halter:And so we provide just the normal time we eat together.
Hugh Halter:And then we, we talk about the Lord and do stuff every once in a while, a little worship or something.
Hugh Halter:Um, Monday nights, last two Mondays of every month, I do a journeyman.
Hugh Halter:Uh, what you and I used to do for pastors, I just do it for local dudes.
Hugh Halter:And, um, so we just do that kind of around the whiskey bar.
Hugh Halter:And, uh, you know, that's about, you know, 25 dudes right now.
Hugh Halter:Half of them are from, you know, African American side of town.
Hugh Halter:Half were from the white side.
Hugh Halter:Where do you do that?
Hugh Halter:You do it at the post or you do it at your house?
Hugh Halter:We do that one at the post.
Hugh Halter:And, um, and then, you know, big living room.
Hugh Halter:It's the big living room.
Hugh Halter:Yeah, totally.
Hugh Halter:Our CrossFit gym is perfect.
Hugh Halter:Just asked me to do church for them on Sunday morning, which essentially churches we sit around a mat and we just talk about Jesus I walked through the book of John and you know, a lot of those people helped us with the building So they're all integrated in the life of the post and so we have basically three little missional community type expressions all around You know, it's just a small handful of people, but um, yeah, you know, it's, it's going better than any church plant I had ever been a part of.
Hugh Halter:And then what we do out of there is we try to start other little micro communities.
Hugh Halter:Uh, McKenna, you know, McKenna, she's going to start a yoga class out of the building.
Hugh Halter:We've got a big back banquet room there.
Caesar Kalinowski:Ken is your youngest daughter for those who are listening.
Caesar Kalinowski:She's also married now, but she's your youngest.
Caesar Kalinowski:Beautiful.
Caesar Kalinowski:So she's going to start our fourth
Hugh Halter:community called Common Yoga, which will be a, a donation based yoga.
Hugh Halter:So poor
Caesar Kalinowski:folk can access that.
Caesar Kalinowski:I had, remember, remember years ago I had this guy teaching me yoga and, and his, and he was like a pretty expensive trainer and I, but I wanted to learn some stuff and I loved him.
Caesar Kalinowski:And he said, I'll tell you what, I'll teach you yoga if you'll teach me about Jesus.
Caesar Kalinowski:And we'd get together and we'd cross our legs in ways that were painful to me and not to him and have a candle between us and then he would tell me how to breathe and I would tell him about Jesus.
Caesar Kalinowski:It was awesome for a long time.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah,
Hugh Halter:so a lot of people ask about the yoga thing because it's not traditionally, you know, a Christian thing.
Hugh Halter:A lot of people think it's demonic, but you know, my daughter's a missionary.
Hugh Halter:She's learned that you don't, you don't do Christian things to non Christian people.
Hugh Halter:That's not what works.
Hugh Halter:She is creating a space where she can just build relationship.
Hugh Halter:And so, uh, the yoga, you know, even the other people that want to help her lead that are, they're not believers.
Hugh Halter:And she's like, let's, let's do this together and let's trust that Jesus wins.
Hugh Halter:along the way, you know, so.
Caesar Kalinowski:I hope that, I hope that not only our regular, you know, folks listening to this, they getting, wow, encouraged by what they can do and be.
Caesar Kalinowski:And they're like, some people are thinking like, Oh, I'm not Hugh Alter.
Caesar Kalinowski:I can never find that kind of money.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's really not about the money.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, what I want everybody to hear is I want to hear all the things that have sprung out of just being there and being good news that costs nothing.
Caesar Kalinowski:So the side door, doing journeyman with a bunch of guys, starting a yoga class, going and holding, quote, church with, with a black box, uh, you know, for CrossFit and all.
Caesar Kalinowski:None of that is what costs anything.
Caesar Kalinowski:So the other thing is someone gifted you with a big asset and then God said, here's the assets to finish it.
Caesar Kalinowski:But everything else you're saying, anybody could do this.
Caesar Kalinowski:and these types of things.
Caesar Kalinowski:And these are all things that you like to do anyway.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's not like, I hate working out, or I hate doing yoga, or I hate hanging out with guys and having a scotch and talking about Jesus.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like, no, that's what I want to do anyway.
Caesar Kalinowski:I hope they're hearing that, and I hope they're hearing that.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I hope that, I hope that pastors and church planners are hearing, like, maybe there's, like, can we flip the model instead of starting a church service in a city that's got a million, somehow thinking that we're going to be the one who, you know, You know, our, our screens and our sound system will just be what finally tips them over the edge into eternity or something.
Caesar Kalinowski:Could we figure out how to be good news and build relational bonds and groups and activities that are good news that everybody gets to participate in as a way of discipling them to Christ?
Caesar Kalinowski:And so they're seeing, tasting, experiencing, participating in the good news.
Caesar Kalinowski:Really reminds me of the discipleship environment of Jesus, uh, where he was like, everything was kind of happening in real time.
Caesar Kalinowski:And then the lessons flowed from that and everybody was participating even when they didn't believe yet, which I think, you know, I have this picture of the disciples that were just like sitting at Jesus, you know, feet with their knees, bending like eyes to the sky, like you're the best, you know, but that's not the story.
Caesar Kalinowski:These knuckleheads were fighting constantly.
Caesar Kalinowski:Their mommy is like, jockeying for better positions, and then it says in Matthew 28 when he's ascended to heaven they're watching and some of them are elbowing each other like I don't believe it still I don't know who he says he what he says they still did not believe some of them so it's like yeah this sounds really like good news to me brother what so what's the future hold for Hugh Halter and the Halter clan do you think in the months and years ahead you have any ideas God giving you any like window as to like okay in two years this is what's gonna happen and in five years I'm releasing you or anything I mean what do you think's happening next
Hugh Halter:Well, uh, funny story.
Hugh Halter:So same guy that gave me the building, uh, he decided that the rest of his life, he's going to commit to rebuilding our town.
Hugh Halter:So he's making a personal commitment of putting 75 million into our downtown core, 75 million into your town.
Hugh Halter:Yep.
Hugh Halter:So he's got a lot of money.
Hugh Halter:It will, it will, it will change.
Hugh Halter:And he's a believer.
Hugh Halter:He's, we've had a lot of talk about the kingdom and about where the righteous prosper, the city will rejoice.
Hugh Halter:And so.
Hugh Halter:He's formed a team of amazing people from developers and marketers.
Hugh Halter:And he asked me to jump in with their team to kind of help with, uh, literally I get to have a seat at a table of a redevelopment of a city.
Hugh Halter:And, uh, and I think part of my, my job is just to.
Hugh Halter:you know, think about the things that we're doing downtown and how it might affect the poor and the racial issues in our town.
Hugh Halter:And, oh my goodness.
Hugh Halter:So see, I'm just like you.
Hugh Halter:I got two grandkids.
Hugh Halter:I've, uh, I've been asked to help change a whole city and I get to be a part of it with the post and I get to be a part of it.
Hugh Halter:So literally I don't want to leave anymore.
Hugh Halter:I, uh, I enjoy getting on planes and consulting other people, but I, I'm learning that the best way to influence the world is to live a really great story, right where you live, and I don't know if I could have ever architected that this would have happened to our family or that we would be able to be in a, in a place of influence like this.
Hugh Halter:And so I'm just going to live it, bro.
Hugh Halter:I think we're stuck here.
Hugh Halter:Grandkids are popping out.
Hugh Halter:Hey, listen, you don't
Caesar Kalinowski:know this yet.
Caesar Kalinowski:I'm trying to stay ahead of you.
Caesar Kalinowski:Uh, my daughter, Kristen is now pregnant with, uh, what will Lord willing be our third.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Nice, nice.
Caesar Kalinowski:Congrats.
Caesar Kalinowski:Pretty stoked.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:January and add another quiver to the, uh, team K bucket of arrows.
Caesar Kalinowski:I love team.
Caesar Kalinowski:We're, we're going nuts.
Caesar Kalinowski:I know.
Caesar Kalinowski:So, well, man, this is so encouraging to me.
Caesar Kalinowski:And it makes me really miss you even more.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like, I, like, you're trying to act like this is all behind us.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like, I guess what I, what you're saying is if I want to move to Alton and stand in your shadow, I could.
Hugh Halter:It would be a wonderful thing to have some partners in this town, for sure.
Hugh Halter:We get, we have a great little core of younger leaders.
Hugh Halter:Um, but yeah, we, we're, we're, We are desperate for
Caesar Kalinowski:kind of us old people, Emory Netster.
Caesar Kalinowski:I think unless Team K comes along, God's probably got us here too.
Caesar Kalinowski:I don't know.
Caesar Kalinowski:I try to, I used to, you know, I used to look at people like, you're so into your family.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like, what about mission?
Caesar Kalinowski:You know?
Caesar Kalinowski:And I'm like, you know, my family's my mission, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:They're part of it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Come on.
Caesar Kalinowski:I get to love this.
Caesar Kalinowski:Don't I get to enjoy this?
Caesar Kalinowski:Of course you do.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, and we're just, we're all growing up.
Hugh Halter:It is, it is funny how you change.
Hugh Halter:Remember how neither of us were like into buildings, you know, for 20 years we told people don't get a building and then God gives me a building.
Hugh Halter:So, oh yeah,
Caesar Kalinowski:well, it's like, I guess you, it's like when, when I became a church planner of communities before there was church services, when I used to be in charge of production at Omega.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:All right.
Caesar Kalinowski:So yeah, this is, isn't it amazing though, that God continues to like, Flip the switch in backwards ways and flip us upside down in our families, you know, praise God for Cheryl and, and, and both your gals and their husbands that, that they're like, God also blessed them with the vision.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like, let's be here.
Caesar Kalinowski:Let's be a family that makes a huge difference.
Caesar Kalinowski:And that also speaks so much you to what we tell everybody, like, before you worry about trying to.
Caesar Kalinowski:organize a church before you start to try to organize a missional community out there and throw a lasso around a bunch of other people.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, let's be a family worth imitating.
Caesar Kalinowski:Let's be a family worth joining.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like people want to be near the halters.
Caesar Kalinowski:I know they do.
Caesar Kalinowski:I do.
Caesar Kalinowski:I miss you guys.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, your daughters are a blast.
Caesar Kalinowski:They've always been, even when they were little in high school, boom, they were my pals when I'd stay at the house.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's who you guys are.
Caesar Kalinowski:You're a family worth imitating and you're a family worth joining.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like, how do I wedge my way into Halter clan here, what's going on?
Caesar Kalinowski:And you guys lived that, so that's not something you have to put on anymore.
Caesar Kalinowski:Now you're adding, you know, babies to the pile, which is beautiful.
Caesar Kalinowski:But I want people to hear that too.
Caesar Kalinowski:I want to hear like, be a family on mission, not with a project out there.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like, live this life.
Caesar Kalinowski:And God is just waiting.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like, you know, some of the people we're coaching right now, Hugh, they get a month, six weeks, two months into this, like starting to finally have some intentionality and open up their table and be good news to people and over tip a little bit and buy around.
Caesar Kalinowski:And they're like, all of a sudden they got all these friends and all this stuff coming out of the woodwork and favor, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:And good news showing up in their life.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I'm That was all there before.
Caesar Kalinowski:Dad's just waiting for us to open up and say yes, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:So, man, it's awesome to talk to you, man.
Caesar Kalinowski:Thank you so much for carving out this time today.
Caesar Kalinowski:You too.
Caesar Kalinowski:Happy to do it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Any, any last parting words you want to tell our folks?
Caesar Kalinowski:Like I just kind of preached there at the end of your story, but what, what, what would you tell people who are hearing this going, man, I wish that was our story.
Caesar Kalinowski:I wish something like that would happen.
Hugh Halter:So see what, what I was thinking, you know, as we were talking was how cool it is that that you've transitioned into really trying to provide a place where people can learn how to live like this.
Hugh Halter:Yeah.
Hugh Halter:It's not, you know, it's not rocket science.
Hugh Halter:You and I both know it's not rocket science.
Hugh Halter:But you need, you need somebody at times going, hey, Let's throw a party and here's how you do it and here's how it moves people and so I just hope you keep doing what you're doing and people take a lot of, you know, literally the little communities that you set up.
Hugh Halter:I hope people take it seriously and realize that Jesus made the gospel the easiest thing in the world to do.
Hugh Halter:We just got to do some good news and be some good news.
Hugh Halter:And, uh, so hopefully that encourages
Caesar Kalinowski:folks.
Caesar Kalinowski:What a life we get to live.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's amazing, man.
Caesar Kalinowski:You can't take any of it with you.
Caesar Kalinowski:You're not taking the post to heaven with you, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:No.
Caesar Kalinowski:But there's a little bit of heaven down here at the post.
Caesar Kalinowski:Thank God for that.
Caesar Kalinowski:Well, listen, please say hi to Cheryl and the gals.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I'm, I promise you I'm going to get to Alton and smell those little baby heads soon as I possibly can.
Caesar Kalinowski:And, uh, and we'll stay in touch.
Caesar Kalinowski:But thanks again for being on.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I'll bet people are going to be like crazy just to hear your story today.
Caesar Kalinowski:So thanks, brother.
Caesar Kalinowski:Awesome.
Caesar Kalinowski:Thank you.
Caesar Kalinowski:We'll see ya.
Heath Hollensbe:Hugh is such an interesting dude.
Heath Hollensbe:I remember the first time I was introduced to him back at a conference that you and Vanderstelt and him did in Alabama, Huntsville, Alabama.
Heath Hollensbe:GCM.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah, GCM.
Heath Hollensbe:And I was like, this guy, there's something ballsy about him.
Heath Hollensbe:The one where he just
Caesar Kalinowski:made fun of me the whole time.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:He did.
Caesar Kalinowski:His yoga stories about me sweating and.
Caesar Kalinowski:But he could
Heath Hollensbe:also kick your, kick your butt if you wanted to.
Heath Hollensbe:He's a manly
Caesar Kalinowski:man, for sure.
Heath Hollensbe:But I just love that his heart is, is wired to, Uh, to do things differently, to, to go out, to innovate, to try new things, to take risks.
Heath Hollensbe:It's like he
Caesar Kalinowski:has to.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like, I've known him long enough to know now, he truly is an apostle.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like, he's got an apostle's heart.
Caesar Kalinowski:For him to sit on the same thing for too long, he just grows restless and he's, he's not going to be the biggest blessing.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like, everybody's got their role.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:Shepherds, pastors.
Caesar Kalinowski:Even though he's a super nice guy and you think, oh, he's got a shepherd's heart, he's an apostle through and through, and evangelist too.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like, you can just talk to people about God and Jesus in ways They've never even thought of or heard and they're immediately, it's salty, they're interested.
Caesar Kalinowski:But he is, he is a great guy.
Caesar Kalinowski:So, you know, we said it before on the show, if you want to find people of peace, be a person of peace.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:The halters live that way.
Heath Hollensbe:That's so cool.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so they, you know, they're like, they're like a magnet.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, like, you know, people are just drawn to them and they really love Jesus.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so that's what they talk about a lot and, but not in weird ways.
Caesar Kalinowski:So.
Heath Hollensbe:If you're ever in Alton, Illinois.
Heath Hollensbe:Go see the
Caesar Kalinowski:post.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, drop in and you might see him, you might not, but you'll get a good cup of coffee.
Caesar Kalinowski:Hey, let's get to the big three for
Heath Hollensbe:this week.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, I got some takeaways for
Heath Hollensbe:sure.
Heath Hollensbe:If you want the free downloadable PDF of the big three, we give it to you by going to everydaydisciple.
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Heath Hollensbe:You'll get it right away.
Heath Hollensbe:B I G the number three.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah, and those are the three things that if nothing else we want you to walk away with from this episode.
Heath Hollensbe:So if we were to like, distill it down what you'd walk away with.
Heath Hollensbe:Caesar, what are your big three?
Caesar Kalinowski:So, yeah, and just, you know, coming out of that conversation, I was like, here's my three takeaways.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, I had to distill it to three.
Caesar Kalinowski:So first when I go, I'd say, um, of the big three.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sometimes God leads us to places and in ways that may surprise us.
Heath Hollensbe:Right.
Caesar Kalinowski:And he and his wife Cheryl were living in Denver on a ranch and I'd been there many times and loved it.
Caesar Kalinowski:And they had just finished remodeling, you know, that thing for ministry that they believe God had called them to.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:And then God spoke again and you know, they're like, wait, we should go here.
Caesar Kalinowski:So I'm asking people like, don't miss this.
Caesar Kalinowski:Have you ever wondered if you've heard God's voice and calling clearly?
Caesar Kalinowski:And then he's asked you to do something else.
Caesar Kalinowski:Could God be using one season of life in a set of circumstances that you're experiencing now to prepare you and your family for what he's got next?
Caesar Kalinowski:That's a great question.
Caesar Kalinowski:Because sometimes we think like, this is what God called us to, so now we're going to die here, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Or whatever.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And it's like, no, sometimes it's this and it's a season.
Caesar Kalinowski:I often wonder like, why is the church in Ephesus that Paul planted still not there?
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah, things move.
Heath Hollensbe:Things
Caesar Kalinowski:move, things change.
Caesar Kalinowski:God is mysterious and probably a lot of people hearing this are going, Ooh, you know, I got to pay attention.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Second of the big three, God always provides for the things he calls us to do.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like, boy, that was super evident in his story.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right?
Caesar Kalinowski:So often we don't follow God's leading or call because we feel like we need to see every step clearly before we even start out.
Caesar Kalinowski:And we think we need to understand and see all the ways he plans to provide for what he's calling us to do.
Caesar Kalinowski:Before we would take that first trusting step of obedience, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Our good and great father knows the future he has for us.
Caesar Kalinowski:And he's proven throughout history, all of scripture throughout history and our own lives.
Caesar Kalinowski:Just look at your own life.
Caesar Kalinowski:Look back that he's fully able and desires provide for everything.
Caesar Kalinowski:He calls us to, he's never going to call you to something.
Caesar Kalinowski:And then you're like out there like, well, now, you know, you can trust him.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, you can.
Caesar Kalinowski:Absolutely.
Caesar Kalinowski:So, third thing, question, what areas of your life and ministry may God be trying to get your attention in and make some changes?
Caesar Kalinowski:All the gospel influence and expansion that we just heard about Hugh and his family experiencing now in Alton would not have happened if they had stayed comfortably, you know, for ministry on their ranch in Colorado.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:Now God would still love them the same, you know, if they missed it or said, are you kidding?
Caesar Kalinowski:We just got the rent, you know, but what a missed opportunity it would have been.
Caesar Kalinowski:So what could you do tomorrow or what would you do tomorrow if time, money and other people's opinion of you were not an issue?
Heath Hollensbe:Man, that is such a good question.
Heath Hollensbe:A great
Caesar Kalinowski:adventure may be waiting for you, right, if you just say yes.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah,
Heath Hollensbe:absolutely.
Caesar Kalinowski:And you can say yes to God with great confidence every time.
Caesar Kalinowski:I, you know, this is Hugh's story today.
Caesar Kalinowski:I'm not gonna get into it, but you know my story.
Caesar Kalinowski:I mean, Tina, God has moved Tina and I through so many different things where it's like, that makes no sense, and you're like,
Heath Hollensbe:It's the best thing ever, you
Caesar Kalinowski:know,
Heath Hollensbe:but I had to let go of that.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah, so, yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:It always, uh, I love the fact that you're saying that He always provides to you.
Heath Hollensbe:Like, He's not gonna leave us out to to hang for dead, you know, and you'll, you know, like we just heard
Caesar Kalinowski:Hugh was trying his best to not accept some of these things.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, exactly.
Heath Hollensbe:All right.
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