Does the Gospel Influence Your Everyday Life?
Many of us live with a form of ‘spiritual schizophrenia’—there’s our “Christian life” we experience on Sundays… and then there’s everything else. But Jesus didn’t come to give us a faith that fits into a box. He came to give us his whole life—right here, right now.
This week on the Everyday Disciple Podcast, we’ll talk about how to close the gap between your faith and your everyday rhythms—at home, at work, and in your neighborhood. You’ll see how the gospel speaks to all of life and how to live with deeper intention and joy in the Kingdom today.
If you’re hungry to bring greater purpose and integration to your faith—in parenting, relationships, work, and ministry—this is your next step.
One small shift can change everything.
In This Episode, You’ll Learn:
- If your family or church is truly living on God’s mission—or just doing religious things.
- Why the gospel is more than your “afterlife plan”—and how it reshapes everything now.
- Caesar’s personal shift from just attending church to being the Church.
- What it could look like to live as a missionary right where you are.
From this episode:
“It is not living life in God’s family, empowered by the Holy Spirit for his mission, that burns people out or causes them to want to throw in the towel of faith. It is when we believe the lie that says we can continue building our own version of the American Dream life… pursuing a bigger house, nicer cars, the best of everything—and try and fit in a little “church” or “ministry” that life gets out of whack.”
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Links and Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
Coaching and Mentorship in Missional Living by Caesar and his wife Tina
Resources for missional living and group training – Missio Publishing
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Transcript
Many of us are living with a form of spiritual schizophrenia.
Caesar Kalinowski:Each of us has the same 24 hours each day, seven days a week.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's just enough time to jam all of life in and then start again next week.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I've learned that it is not life lived as God's family of missionary servants empowered by his Holy Spirit for his mission that actually burns people out or causes them to want to throw in the towel of their faith.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's when we believe the lie that says we can continue building our own version of the American dream life or the European dream life or whatever.
Caesar Kalinowski:Pursuing a bigger house, nicer cars, better vacations, the best of everything, and try and fit in a little church or a ministry, that life gets all outta whack.
Caesar Kalinowski:See, we've been given just one life to live.
Caesar Kalinowski:We can't live two different existences.
Heath Hollensbe:Welcome to the Everyday Disciple Podcast where you'll learn how to live with.
Heath Hollensbe:Greater intentionality and an integrated faith that naturally fits into every area of life.
Heath Hollensbe:In other words, discipleship as a lifestyle.
Heath Hollensbe:This is the stuff your parents, pastors and seminary professors probably forgot to tell you.
Heath Hollensbe:And now here's your host, Caesar Kalinowski.
Heath Hollensbe:Hey, good to be with you again, brother Heath.
Heath Hollensbe:What's happening, man?
Heath Hollensbe:I don't know what you've done, what sort of magic potion you've poured out upon civilization, but our group is growing.
Heath Hollensbe:Like,
Caesar Kalinowski:man, stuff is happening.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:So we had a crazy explosion of members in the podcast group on Facebook.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Some of them are listening to this right now and some of the other, you know, our long-term listeners are going, yeah, I noticed too.
Caesar Kalinowski:'cause all of a sudden, where are all these people?
Caesar Kalinowski:My, you know, my feed is getting blown up.
Caesar Kalinowski:So, so welcome to the new family members.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like hundreds and hundreds of hundreds of you.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like many hundreds.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's good to have you guys, so I'm really grateful.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And, yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:Awesome, man.
Caesar Kalinowski:Well, let's jump into this episode.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Let me set the tone for this episode today, uh, because we're gonna talk about how our faith and life all fit together, but not in this weird, schizophrenic way.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I wanna start by saying, like, reminding us, there's this, there's this old, it might be, I think it's true, it might be focal, but, uh, Vince Lombardi, this famous football coach, he would start off every season at the first training session holding out a ball in front of him, and he would say to his players, gentlemen.
Caesar Kalinowski:This is a football.
Caesar Kalinowski:And he always took them back to the basics often and as a way of going forward.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know what I mean?
Caesar Kalinowski:Mm-hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like, like, Hey, we're not gonna get better unless we remember what's this all about?
Caesar Kalinowski:This is a football, you know?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so today we're kind of doing something similar, partly 'cause we got a whole lot of new guests, you know, joining us.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:And new members and folks and family hanging out.
Caesar Kalinowski:But also 'cause it's just kind of time to say, you know, family, this.
Caesar Kalinowski:Is the life.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, this is the gospel, this is a football, you know, so that's what we're gonna do.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep.
Heath Hollensbe:You know, and I love that you started off with the term spiritual schizophrenia, because it does seem often that our Christian life, right?
Heath Hollensbe:We have this Christian life, and then we have a regular life that get lived out in different boxes and they're usually separate.
Heath Hollensbe:And one thing that we've really fought hard for, that's the
Caesar Kalinowski:definition of schizophrenia, is like.
Caesar Kalinowski:Uh, you know, I have this personality and then, but now switch it over here.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Frank showed up, you know, might have a niece that she was always referred to her by her middle name when she was kind of in a bad mood.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:Different word was used, but you know, it's like, oh, so-and-so's here.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, it feels like
Heath Hollensbe:that, right?
Heath Hollensbe:Like you've got the Christian side, you've got the regular side.
Heath Hollensbe:And one thing we really try to.
Heath Hollensbe:To push through is how do we incorporate the gospel, the good news of Christ in a holistic sense.
Heath Hollensbe:Not, not this.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:All of life.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:It's not like we go to church and turn on worship for an hour and then we go live the rest of our lives lives in a different way like everybody else, but we wanna see the gospel affect every area of our lives.
Heath Hollensbe:Do you really still believe that this
Caesar Kalinowski:is possible?
Caesar Kalinowski:I absolutely do.
Caesar Kalinowski:And like I was just saying, we got a whole lot of new friends that were, you know, they believed it and then they gave it a try this week, so that was awesome.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:But you know, you're right.
Caesar Kalinowski:One of the, one of our overarching goals of the podcast is to look at how faith can be integrated into all of life, family, work, ministry, all one life together without it being weird.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, and or us getting burned out by it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay?
Caesar Kalinowski:Mm-hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:So, you're right, I use that term spiritual schizophrenia.
Caesar Kalinowski:Because we do, we try to live these two separate lives.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I don't think on paper anybody's like, oh, no, I'm a different person.
Caesar Kalinowski:But I, I, you know, I can just, I'll speak for myself.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:Many, many, many, many, many years of being a Christian and it was like, and Sunday's over and I did that and checked the box and it wasn't like I chucked my faith.
Caesar Kalinowski:I don't believe in Jesus, you know, the rest of the week.
Caesar Kalinowski:But I really didn't give it a whole lot of thought.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:And then.
Caesar Kalinowski:If we were doing some sort of a campaign at church to like, make sure you share your faith three times this week or something, you know, like hand out a track or something.
Caesar Kalinowski:I might, you know, I might get on, you gotta get in on that.
Caesar Kalinowski:But it wasn't really like, wait a minute.
Caesar Kalinowski:Every bit of life has an opportunity to see like the thing behind the thing and the gospel and what, what the good news is.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like what's true of God and what's he done like that, that anchors his character in our lives.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:In scripture, in our own lives, in the past, what's true of us in our identity there, there's so much good news and.
Caesar Kalinowski:As we grow in our gospel fluency, that's a term we use a lot, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:This ability to speak and, and experience the good news and everything.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, we start to realize that, oh, that's so core to making disciples as a lifestyle.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's like, like, let's just put ourselves in lots of normal rhythms of everyday life and then let's let the gospels like ooze out and be good news.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:And that that's not just through our actions.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's.
Caesar Kalinowski:Both actions and words.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I know some people lean towards like, I'd rather display the gospel.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, what's the old thing of like, you know, preach the gospel and use words if you must.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's like, no, you gotta use words, you know?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Preach good news.
Caesar Kalinowski:It, it has to be proclaimed.
Caesar Kalinowski:How will they know if they don't hear?
Caesar Kalinowski:But it also has to be lived out, otherwise people say bs.
Caesar Kalinowski:I don't believe you.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Because I look at your life and you look just like everybody else all week.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:But then you say, oh no, I, I go to church though.
Caesar Kalinowski:Or something like, okay, what is that?
Caesar Kalinowski:The bar?
Caesar Kalinowski:I, I hope so.
Caesar Kalinowski:So yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:I really do think it is still.
Caesar Kalinowski:The reality.
Caesar Kalinowski:And that's why I, you know, I tell people all the time, like of all the content we produce and put out, I love our podcast 'cause I love getting to say let's talk about anything.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And let's talk about the thing behind the thing and how the gospel speaks into it.
Caesar Kalinowski:And we get to,
Heath Hollensbe:so, and it's cool hearing the feedback from people that go, I never would've connected those, those two dots in that situation, you know?
Caesar Kalinowski:Love it.
Heath Hollensbe:Uh, one thing that we talk a lot about on the show, and we're actually getting a lot of questions from people even this week, is you keep using this word Missional and throwing it around.
Heath Hollensbe:And I've heard it used this way and I've heard it used this way.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:I had a buddy the other day tell me.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah, we're really Missional family.
Heath Hollensbe:Like we're, we try to be at church three or four times a week and then we got bible study and I'm like, yeah, I think you got the wrong, wrong word going.
Heath Hollensbe:It's hard to believe.
Caesar Kalinowski:We're still having to define it.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:But maybe we go back.
Heath Hollensbe:It's kind of come
Caesar Kalinowski:around the wheel a few times now, I think.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I don't know that we've ever said like, what is Missional per se?
Caesar Kalinowski:Right.
Caesar Kalinowski:Let's do it.
Caesar Kalinowski:So I don't, I mean, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna claim to go like, here's the definitive, you know, there's actually a Wikipedia post on Missional, you know, or something.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And some people like argue and they're like, anyway, so the word Missional, let's just break it down for a second, has something to do with the Missional a mission.
Caesar Kalinowski:So it's like being focused on the mission.
Caesar Kalinowski:Mission null, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:So what's the mission of the church?
Caesar Kalinowski:What's the primary focus?
Caesar Kalinowski:In fact, the only mission the church has ever been given, Jesus, our king Lord savior, brother.
Caesar Kalinowski:God of the universe, creator of all things.
Caesar Kalinowski:He gave us the mission.
Caesar Kalinowski:What's, you know, you know what I'm talking about?
Caesar Kalinowski:What's the mission?
Caesar Kalinowski:Get people to church on Sunday mornings.
Caesar Kalinowski:I'm just kidding.
Caesar Kalinowski:Go and make disciples.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Go and make disciples.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's the only mission.
Caesar Kalinowski:Now we get to go to church and we love being together as the family.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Or I hope you do.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, sometimes, you know, I mean, you should, you get to Right.
Caesar Kalinowski:But the mission is make disciples who make disciples so.
Caesar Kalinowski:If let's just say like, is this is this group of mine or is my family like you just mentioned Missional, or is this church really Missional?
Caesar Kalinowski:Well, if it's not making disciples who make disciples, then it's not Missional.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right?
Caesar Kalinowski:So a small group that gets together and studies the Bible like crazy.
Caesar Kalinowski:Good on you.
Caesar Kalinowski:Study the Bible.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's not Missional because you call it that.
Caesar Kalinowski:Or because, well, we did a service project last year.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's just being a That's good.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's being a survey.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Missional is like our focus.
Caesar Kalinowski:Everything we do is about making disciples who make disciples.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:Helping people move from unbelief to belief in absolutely every area of life.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right?
Caesar Kalinowski:So here's another thing too, and this is gonna cut deep for some folks.
Caesar Kalinowski:If Discipleships a department in the church.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Which it isn't a lot of, then it's probably not a Missional church.
Caesar Kalinowski:'cause they see it as like, well, well, it's like an appendage.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's one little thing we do.
Heath Hollensbe:Hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like children's ministry, men's sports ministry, discipleship, like, no, no, no, no.
Caesar Kalinowski:The only reason the church exists, and I mean church is people, and then therefore our functional church as structure exists, is to carry out Jesus' mission.
Caesar Kalinowski:To make disciples who make disciples to do what?
Caesar Kalinowski:To fulfill God's eternal purpose.
Caesar Kalinowski:Mm-hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:To fill the world with his glory.
Caesar Kalinowski:So if it's, if it's a department Mm. It's probably not.
Caesar Kalinowski:'cause it's, it should be every, every, uh, everybody on staff, every elder, every deacon, everybody who goes there.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like, what's our goal?
Caesar Kalinowski:Uh, what's our mission?
Caesar Kalinowski:It's to make disciples.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:If it's one person's responsibility to manage and spearhead discipleship for the whole church Hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:Then it's probably not particularly Missional.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's helpful, man.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, now.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's part of it, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's just part of it.
Caesar Kalinowski:So that's, you know, it's like, and, and, and I think everybody's gonna say, Nope, we're all about it.
Caesar Kalinowski:We totally are all about discipleship.
Caesar Kalinowski:Let me see your budget.
Caesar Kalinowski:Let me see how much time you give to that.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Every week.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And we'll know it changes things.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Our budget, our pocket, and our calendar will tell us the truth.
Caesar Kalinowski:It just Absolutely.
Caesar Kalinowski:I'm not here to tell anybody.
Caesar Kalinowski:They are.
Caesar Kalinowski:They're not.
Caesar Kalinowski:But you know, look.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:But show us the paperwork and we'll tell you.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:So then the other thing that we talk about a lot is this concept of Missional communities.
Heath Hollensbe:We hit that almost every, uh.
Heath Hollensbe:Almost every episode with something along the lines, and you call whatever
Caesar Kalinowski:you want.
Caesar Kalinowski:But we use that term a lot.
Caesar Kalinowski:I like it still.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, I really do.
Caesar Kalinowski:I know some people are like, oh, it's a bad word now.
Caesar Kalinowski:Everybody got freaked out on it, you know?
Caesar Kalinowski:And some people, they really were, and they, they kind of lumped, Missional, and then therefore Missional Community and all that stuff.
Caesar Kalinowski:They kind of lumped it in with some other movements that were going on about a decade ago or something, and it's like, no, we're not chucking the gospel and doctrine and all, you know, we're just gonna actually really focus on the thing Jesus said to be focused on.
Caesar Kalinowski:So.
Heath Hollensbe:So how would you define like a Missional Community?
Heath Hollensbe:Compared to what might be more of a traditional small group that we've all pretty familiar with in the past.
Caesar Kalinowski:Uh, okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:So again, let's come back to like if, like, uh, in my experience, the most of the small groups that I've been a part of and, and some of they were great, some of them were great, some of 'em not so great, but just being honest.
Caesar Kalinowski:But, um, the focus of the small group was primarily on.
Caesar Kalinowski:Us.
Caesar Kalinowski:Hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like what we wanted to do and hang out.
Caesar Kalinowski:And it was kind of a way to close the back door of the church.
Caesar Kalinowski:'cause it was, you know, as churches got bigger and bigger and bigger, often in America, people were like, I don't know anybody.
Caesar Kalinowski:So small groups were an invention to close the back door and make you feel like you knew someone.
Caesar Kalinowski:Otherwise, it's just too easy to go across the street 'cause they got the new youth wing or like, I like that pastor's hair better.
Caesar Kalinowski:I think it's got way better hair, you know, better
Heath Hollensbe:concerts.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so.
Caesar Kalinowski:So small groups had a certain goal in mind, but they weren't necessarily focused on, okay, how do we make disciples who then make more disciples?
Caesar Kalinowski:Mm-hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:Which means there's gonna be a very good balance between up.
Caesar Kalinowski:In and out.
Caesar Kalinowski:And a lot of our listeners know what I mean by that.
Caesar Kalinowski:Just vernacular like boom, sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:But up.
Caesar Kalinowski:Jesus balance his life up with an upward focus connected to his father, deeply connected to the love of dad.
Caesar Kalinowski:And, and so we say like, how, how's your up focus, you know?
Caesar Kalinowski:And, and are you growing into gospel and in, in the truth of who God is and what's true of you now?
Caesar Kalinowski:And then inward, are we becoming more like family and then outward?
Caesar Kalinowski:This is one where we often lose it and we fall off the, the Missional train.
Caesar Kalinowski:We're not really Missional 'cause like, well, we study a lot and we love God and we pray and we like to hang out.
Caesar Kalinowski:But we really, like, there's no not yet believers hanging around.
Caesar Kalinowski:None of our lost friends are around ever Exactly like so.
Caesar Kalinowski:So we lose that out focus of the up in out.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so part of the difference would be a Missional Community would be people who come together and say, Hey, you know what?
Caesar Kalinowski:You know why we wanna hang?
Caesar Kalinowski:'cause we wanna live like a family of missionary servants.
Caesar Kalinowski:We wanna live on mission extended.
Caesar Kalinowski:Go back to scripture.
Caesar Kalinowski:Oikos.
Caesar Kalinowski:The word oikos was this extended family who like, sure, they had their jobs and they had everything else but the mission of their life, the focus of their life, their words, their budgeting, their time use, how they vacation partied, who they hung out with was to make more disciples, help people find and love Jesus, and realize what he had done for them and the life that he had now united them in.
Caesar Kalinowski:To the Trinity with himself and say, oh my God, now we're one.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like, you really?
Caesar Kalinowski:Can you get this right now from the Innerwebs?
Caesar Kalinowski:And it's kind of helpful, but I'll, I'll tweak it a little as we go.
Caesar Kalinowski:From the Innerwebs, I found, uh, a definition that says A Missional Community is a group of people about the size of an extended family.
Caesar Kalinowski:What does that mean?
Caesar Kalinowski:Right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Who are united through their identity in Christ around common service and witness to a particular neighborhood or network of relationships.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's pretty good, I think.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, it's pretty close.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:Now a definition that we used in my days of leading Soma, it still really works very, very well for me, and it's a little more insider because there again, we teach family missionary servant Disciple, but a Michel community is a committed core of believers.
Caesar Kalinowski:Mm-hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:Parentheses family who live out the mission of God together.
Caesar Kalinowski:As missionaries sent ones in a specific area or to a particular people group by demonstrating the gospel in tangible forms, that being servants, yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:And declaring the gospel to others, both those who believe it and those who are being exposed to it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Meaning discipleship.
Caesar Kalinowski:So that's like, and the summary would be, again, I've said it a bunch of times today already, we're a family of missionary servants sent as disciples who make disciples.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:So hopefully people can do their own compare and contrast to, well, we get together once a month and we study the sermon notes or once a week and we study the sermon notes, but it'll make it a lot.
Caesar Kalinowski:And then we take the summers off.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And like that doesn't sound like a healthy family, you know, like who are united around the mission and like just going deeper and deeper and deeper into it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah,
Heath Hollensbe:well, maybe you could share a little bit about your story.
Heath Hollensbe:Is this something that you've always, uh, like been raised in and believed this for a long time?
Heath Hollensbe:Or was Christianity more of a title, uh, or if it was a title, did this switch one day?
Heath Hollensbe:When did it switch?
Heath Hollensbe:Where, where did you begin developing this sort of thinking?
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:Well, it's, it's still being developed, you know, it's ongoing, man.
Caesar Kalinowski:The revelation of how good news the gospel really is and how we get to live just continues to just blow my mind.
Caesar Kalinowski:Uh, so I was.
Caesar Kalinowski:There again, you know, long-term listeners have heard pieces of this, but I was raised in a home, uh, where my mom took us to church.
Caesar Kalinowski:Mm-hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:And, uh, we were Christians.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right.
Caesar Kalinowski:My dad was a priester that, you know, that person who goes to Christmas and Easters Easter.
Caesar Kalinowski:Easter, yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's all you know.
Caesar Kalinowski:And usually not both, but um, I. He, uh, yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:He would at best maybe drop us off and pick us up if my mom was working or sleeping or something like that.
Caesar Kalinowski:She worked second shift, but we grew up and yes, it was a title for us.
Caesar Kalinowski:We were Christians.
Caesar Kalinowski:And what did that mean?
Caesar Kalinowski:That means that you don't do certain things.
Caesar Kalinowski:It really was the old school, which, you know, I know everybody says, oh, that's, but those days are over.
Caesar Kalinowski:Mm. Not for about 70% of the church, but it was really, Christianity was a list of rules and stuff you don't do because Christianity was about waiting for heaven.
Caesar Kalinowski:And in the meantime it was about sin management and behavioral modification.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's what it was.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:Same with
Caesar Kalinowski:me now.
Caesar Kalinowski:And that's not even being harsh, that's just looking back as an adult and going.
Caesar Kalinowski:It was that we were waiting around, we, I set a prayer,
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:Uh, you know, like the Jesus in your heart prayer that you never find, the scripture said that many, many, many times.
Caesar Kalinowski:And, uh, and then we were kind of just trying not to sin, and it was a heavy burden, you know?
Caesar Kalinowski:And there was, there was no discipleship.
Caesar Kalinowski:There was no like.
Caesar Kalinowski:There was a lot of talk about the Holy Spirit, but like in kinda weird, like, ow sparky ways, not like, Hey, wait a minute, like I have to talk to my wife about something that's a little sensitive and maybe a little prickly.
Caesar Kalinowski:I need the spirit's help.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, it wasn't, it was never practical wise like that.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, now jump way ahead.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:Uh, I, I actually have been discipled and I am now a father and, and I'm actually working.
Caesar Kalinowski:I'm doing a lot of international mission stuff like traveling around the world, and I end up actually as a missions pastor at a mega church.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's crazy.
Caesar Kalinowski:And, um, I, I start going back and forth on these trips and I'm gone for like two, three weeks at a time or more.
Caesar Kalinowski:And, um, when we're in the field, you know, we're on these trips.
Caesar Kalinowski:We're actually being the church, like we're with the body.
Caesar Kalinowski:They don't own anything most often.
Caesar Kalinowski:They don't have buildings.
Caesar Kalinowski:They don't have, I mean, like some of 'em have like one.
Caesar Kalinowski:Clo set clothes.
Caesar Kalinowski:I mean, you know, we're in Sudan, we're talking about during the Civil War, the walking stick people, they're just dying of starvation.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sierra Leone and Thailand.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I've been in Nigeria standing with Christians weeping, literally in smoldering ashes.
Heath Hollensbe:Hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:Because the building, they did have got burned down.
Caesar Kalinowski:God by, you know, militants and wow.
Caesar Kalinowski:And, and they're just like, God, that's okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, we are the church, you know?
Caesar Kalinowski:And I was like, yes, we are.
Caesar Kalinowski:And then I come home and we're like putting on the big show, you know, and it was like Q camera three, you know?
Caesar Kalinowski:And smoke.
Caesar Kalinowski:And a little more light.
Caesar Kalinowski:A little more light.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:A little warm up.
Caesar Kalinowski:Warm it up.
Caesar Kalinowski:A little, little more yellow.
Caesar Kalinowski:A little yellow.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I was like, holy cow, man.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like, I love my church.
Caesar Kalinowski:But I just like, I feel like now we're doing church instead of being church.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:And as we went back and forth and back and forth, it got harder and harder.
Caesar Kalinowski:I felt.
Caesar Kalinowski:Talk about schizophrenia.
Caesar Kalinowski:I felt like.
Caesar Kalinowski:How come they, you know, when I'm out with these people who are being the church, I feel like I'm, we're the church and we'd like, well forsake anything.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's the best ever.
Caesar Kalinowski:And, you know, have you, you ever been on a short-term mission trip?
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Couple of 'em.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:You ever, like when you, you, you know, you get back and you feel like, man, that was the best, you know?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like we had to bear with some people that were a little prickly, but we got through it 'cause we had to.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know?
Caesar Kalinowski:Absolutely.
Caesar Kalinowski:And you're like, God, wouldn't it just be great if we could live like that all the time?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And, and we think our only option is like, well maybe I should move overseas.
Heath Hollensbe:Hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right.
Caesar Kalinowski:Well, for us.
Caesar Kalinowski:Where the dime dropped, where the switch was, doing those trips back and forth.
Caesar Kalinowski:We said, wait a minute, reading the book of Acts, do we get to live like that?
Caesar Kalinowski:Like what we're experiencing on these short-term trips?
Caesar Kalinowski:Mm-hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:Do we get to live that way here?
Caesar Kalinowski:Why not?
Caesar Kalinowski:What's keeping us?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Nothing's keep, I remember I was on one trip, Heath, I was with these people that had nothing.
Caesar Kalinowski:They had Jesus, and they were so full of joy, bro.
Heath Hollensbe:Really?
Caesar Kalinowski:They were so full of joy and I mean, they were persecuted.
Caesar Kalinowski:It was the worst.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I remember weeping, weeping, praying, Lord, I would give everything I have.
Caesar Kalinowski:To have the joy they have in you.
Heath Hollensbe:Hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I swear to God, it wasn't audible, but it almost like the spirit said, well then do.
Caesar Kalinowski:Wow.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I was like, I was like the rich young ruler.
Caesar Kalinowski:I had to hang my head and walk away.
Caesar Kalinowski:I was like, I, I, I, I don't, I don't even know where to start.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, exactly.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so when we moved out to Tacoma and we moved out to Washington, it was beginning of us going like, we don't know how to do it, but we're gonna start learning how we're gonna live like a missionary sent to another country.
Caesar Kalinowski:Hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like for instance here, like, work on this with me a little bit.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like, imagine if you will, like we sent you.
Caesar Kalinowski:And Kathleen, uh, to another country and, um, we're sending you and the kids off to a foreign country to be full-time missionaries.
Caesar Kalinowski:You're leaving next month, you're fully funded, everything's good to go, and you're being sent there to proclaim and plant the gospel in that village or city or whatever it is, and see new disciples of Jesus.
Remove:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:What are some of the things you think you would, I mean, even if you had no training, just off the top of your head from just being a Christian and maybe doing some short term, what would you start doing?
Caesar Kalinowski:With some regularity.
Caesar Kalinowski:Boom.
Caesar Kalinowski:As soon as your boots hit the ground
Heath Hollensbe:Oh yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:Start throwing some dinners.
Heath Hollensbe:Inviting people over.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:Uh, going and seeing 'em where they live.
Heath Hollensbe:Hanging out with 'em, hearing their stories.
Heath Hollensbe:Get to learn a language.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Eat where they eat, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Drink, they drink ways to serve 'em.
Caesar Kalinowski:Is there anything we can do to help?
Caesar Kalinowski:Like literally all, we don't want to just be here to take, we're here to help
Heath Hollensbe:study some of the cult, the, their cultural norms.
Heath Hollensbe:Like what, what's custom to it might
Caesar Kalinowski:change the way we dress.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Might start eating some weird stuff, right.
Caesar Kalinowski:Uh, right.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:All this kind of stuff.
Caesar Kalinowski:Exactly.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so.
Caesar Kalinowski:God said, just go and do that.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:So we did and we had to soak in and so at like at 40 I, we moved to Tacoma and I'm like, here we go.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I remember the hardest part of it was trying to explain to my friends and my family, some of who were supporting us financially.
Caesar Kalinowski:'cause we didn't, there was no means to support.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, like, so what are you guys doing?
Caesar Kalinowski:Like, like my, my folks could understand, you know, and friends could understand when they would see my.
Caesar Kalinowski:15 foot head on the screens preaching, you know, back at the, at the big church or you know, like, hey, nice office.
Caesar Kalinowski:And like, they wanna meet my staff and I get a lot of staff, you know, and like, yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, they understood all that, but now you're like, uh, we're living like missionaries and like.
Caesar Kalinowski:Well, let's see.
Caesar Kalinowski:Last night I went to this metal show because there's these guys in this rock band that we're getting to know, and there's like one believer in the group, but he isn't how to make disciples.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so we're kind of helping him.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And we're being pals to him.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's a whole different way.
Caesar Kalinowski:And then, yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And then we helped this guy move again.
Caesar Kalinowski:And then this guy's like, there's a homeless dude living with us this week.
Caesar Kalinowski:I'm not sure how long he'll be here.
Caesar Kalinowski:He said just for a few days, but it's been a week, you know?
Caesar Kalinowski:And on and on.
Caesar Kalinowski:You're like, uh uh.
Caesar Kalinowski:Now we also had community.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:And we were studying the word like crazy and we, you know, it was just.
Caesar Kalinowski:Never been busier kind of thing, but it was very, very different.
Caesar Kalinowski:So when that started switching and we started seeing people come to faith, yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like Jesus says, if you'll walk in my ways and be my Disciple, then you'll know the truth and the truth will set you free.
Caesar Kalinowski:And we're like, whoa.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's 180 degrees outta syn from what we've always done.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:So we started
Caesar Kalinowski:like inviting people to walk in the ways of our life, which we're increasingly his ways, and they were starting to come to the truth of who he was in different areas of their life and believe.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, we say discipleship, suppress, and moving from unbelief to belief.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:They were starting to and then starting to trust him.
Caesar Kalinowski:And then they're like, that's cool.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:I wanna follow this guy and I want him to be in charge now.
Caesar Kalinowski:Wow.
Caesar Kalinowski:And what's, what do I need to do to get in?
Caesar Kalinowski:Like trust him.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's
Heath Hollensbe:amazing,
Caesar Kalinowski:man.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's it.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, we have people say like, well, do I have start giving some money now?
Caesar Kalinowski:I'm like, you can, but you don't have to.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Have to give it to me, you know?
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:So
Heath Hollensbe:what about people that are listening to the show right now and they, and it's, and something's bubbling up inside of 'em and they're like, I wanna actually start living more this way, but I don't wanna burn out.
Heath Hollensbe:I don't wanna come across like a total freak and not know what to say.
Heath Hollensbe:How would you, what, what steps would you burn?
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:Living like
Caesar Kalinowski:a missionary isn't like canal.
Caesar Kalinowski:I constantly am just handing out tracks and like, just
Heath Hollensbe:anointing with oil.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah, yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:Everybody
Caesar Kalinowski:going nutty it, it, it's actually more than that, but way simpler, you know?
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:Well, um.
Caesar Kalinowski:I can't obviously teach all the things we teach and train and coach people to Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:On the show here today.
Caesar Kalinowski:But I would, let me, let me try to break it down if I can.
Caesar Kalinowski:I think living out our faith in all of life and really seeing our life integrated into our faith starts with three things.
Caesar Kalinowski:Desire,
Heath Hollensbe:mm-hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:Intentionality.
Caesar Kalinowski:Because life is really mirrored, like God's just miraculously ordered the wor the way the world works and the rhythms we live in to fit sure like his will and fill in the world with his glory and Disciple making.
Caesar Kalinowski:Uh, so desire, intentionality.
Caesar Kalinowski:And then this one may surprise people equipping, like being equipped and equipping others, and that that leads, that's the discipleship part of it.
Caesar Kalinowski:So, sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:I would say if you have a desire.
Caesar Kalinowski:Speak to the first one.
Caesar Kalinowski:To live with greater intentionality in your life when it comes to your faith and work and ministry and parenting, and being a good spouse, and how it all really gets gospel.
Caesar Kalinowski:Now's the time to start making a difference.
Caesar Kalinowski:Don't let your hopes and desires stay.
Caesar Kalinowski:Just that sort of a dream.
Caesar Kalinowski:Mm-hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, like, oh, well someday, you know, I've been reading this stuff for a long time, but you know, we're just kind of can't wait to do it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's like what?
Caesar Kalinowski:You can begin to experience the good news of the gospel in every area of life today.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:So one small step starts the journey.
Caesar Kalinowski:If you have the desire, that's awesome.
Caesar Kalinowski:'cause believe it or not, a lot of people don't.
Caesar Kalinowski:They're like, Nope, I'm fine.
Caesar Kalinowski:I'm just fine the way I am.
Caesar Kalinowski:Hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:I'll go to church that 1.7 times a month or 2.3 or whatever it is.
Caesar Kalinowski:Check it off.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:And, uh, back to my American dream life or whatever.
Caesar Kalinowski:So.
Caesar Kalinowski:So desire.
Caesar Kalinowski:Second one is, if you have the desire, then determined to be intentional about what areas in life you wanna improve, and, and I don't mean prove like work, you work hard and prove yourself.
Caesar Kalinowski:I'm saying like, I want to grow in the gospel in that area of my life.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:I wanna be more like Jesus in this area.
Caesar Kalinowski:I. My finances, my generosity, my my words, my tone, the way I, the way people read me and see me being a servant and all that.
Caesar Kalinowski:So what areas do you wanna improve in and then, you know, and, and get equipped in and grow and lead others in?
Caesar Kalinowski:Like I can remember really young in life going, I think that God's put it on my heart.
Caesar Kalinowski:A desire to lead and teach, but I wasn't doing any of it yet.
Caesar Kalinowski:I was very young in my faith.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I said, Lord, okay, if that's from you, what do I do?
Caesar Kalinowski:He goes, well, who do you know that you could lead and teach?
Caesar Kalinowski:I'm like, I don't know.
Caesar Kalinowski:I know four or five guys in the neighborhood that a couple of 'em claim to be Christians.
Caesar Kalinowski:A couple, I'm not sure of.
Caesar Kalinowski:All right.
Caesar Kalinowski:Start there.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:So I went to him.
Caesar Kalinowski:I said, Hey, you guys wanna start a Bible study with me?
Caesar Kalinowski:I mean, I didn't know anything.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like there was no Missional nothing.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right.
Caesar Kalinowski:I. They're like, yeah, we will.
Caesar Kalinowski:I had a guy, I had a guy seriously not too long ago, and this is like 25 years ago.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, write me go, you know the Bible study we did on X, Y, Z in your living room back in that neighborhood?
Caesar Kalinowski:I'm like, no, I don't really remember it.
Caesar Kalinowski:He goes, he goes.
Caesar Kalinowski:Life changing.
Caesar Kalinowski:Still the best thing I've ever done in my life.
Caesar Kalinowski:I refer to it all the time.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like, you changed my life.
Caesar Kalinowski:Whoa.
Caesar Kalinowski:I was like, what?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, but God was showing me like, get started, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Get started.
Caesar Kalinowski:Be intentional.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like so I wanted to lead.
Caesar Kalinowski:God said, there's your spot.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like be faithful, the little faithful, the lot.
Caesar Kalinowski:It won't happen accidentally.
Caesar Kalinowski:It takes really great intentionality, discipleship, and mission.
Caesar Kalinowski:You've probably heard me say this before.
Caesar Kalinowski:Discipleship admission is living everyday life, but with increasingly greater gospel intentionality.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, absolutely.
Caesar Kalinowski:And then the third thing, desire, intentionality, equipping, is once you begin to identify the areas of life you wanna live with greater confidence and intentionality, your next intention step would be get equipped.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like to do that.
Caesar Kalinowski:Learn, grow, get the knowledge, skills, coaching if you need it to succeed.
Caesar Kalinowski:And if, if anybody listening would like to learn more about the coaching and maybe have me help develop a personal roadmap for them and their family, or their team or church to move toward discipleship as a lifestyle and everyday life, sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:Or maybe they wanna get started building a Missional Community.
Caesar Kalinowski:Which is discipleship in every year of life.
Caesar Kalinowski:All you know.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:Or if you wanna help lead others in your church into this lifestyle of sub ship, I'd love to be your coach and help you with that.
Caesar Kalinowski:There's not a ton of spots when we open 'em up, they usually fill right up.
Caesar Kalinowski:So, you know, you hear this, you can go to everyday Disciple dot com slash coaching and learn more about it and how it all works and, you know, get registered.
Caesar Kalinowski:Tina and I, my wife and I coach together.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's a little different.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's cool.
Caesar Kalinowski:We coach as, as couples.
Caesar Kalinowski:And we prefer to actually coach couples together in this lifestyle mission.
Caesar Kalinowski:And that's because like when I first started coaching about 15 years ago, I was primarily coaching dudes.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, church planters and all.
Caesar Kalinowski:And they get all stoked and they're like, oh my gosh, this is great.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's so helpful.
Caesar Kalinowski:And they go home and tell their wives what they needed to start doing differently.
Caesar Kalinowski:That would Well, and the kids, yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Worked real great.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so though we do coach individuals.
Caesar Kalinowski:We really love to coach couples and, and I'm telling you, it's like a marriage changer.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's a life changer.
Caesar Kalinowski:Get on the same page, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:So now if you're listening later this, you're like, oh man, this is, I'm listening.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like two a year later, whatever.
Caesar Kalinowski:Still, go to the link.
Caesar Kalinowski:Go to everyday Disciple dot com slash coaching.
Caesar Kalinowski:We'll put it in the show notes.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:Let's
Heath Hollensbe:get to the big three for this week.
Heath Hollensbe:For those who are new to the show, what, those are the big three takeaways we want you to walk away with, and we're gonna present 'em nicely to you.
Heath Hollensbe:You can look out if nothing else.
Heath Hollensbe:Don't miss this.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah, get it for free by going to everyday Disciple dot com slash big three.
Heath Hollensbe:Caesar, what are the big three for this
Caesar Kalinowski:week?
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay, first, uh, don't miss this.
Caesar Kalinowski:Jesus exchanged his life for yours so that you could have and live his life now.
Caesar Kalinowski:Hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's like it's not someday we don't have to wait for it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, no.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sitting in rows in silence, listening to others, you know, listen to people just talk about getting on mission is definitely not the same thing as living with intention today.
Caesar Kalinowski:This is life that we, we've been talking about today that you were created for.
Caesar Kalinowski:Hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:And it's the adventure of a lifetime, I swear it is.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's great.
Caesar Kalinowski:And not, not just this lifetime, but beyond, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Storing up in heaven.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, second, the gospel's the answer to every question.
Caesar Kalinowski:Good news for all of life, not to star after life, but this life, all of it now, um, the gospel's not just your ticket outta hell and into heaven someday.
Caesar Kalinowski:Every sin issue or any pain or things, anything in your life or fears that stand in the way of our faithfulness to God's design and Jesus commands, which we talked about, make disciples who make disciples, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Anything that stands in the way, that's ultimately a gospel issue.
Caesar Kalinowski:And since all sin is the outcome of unbelief in some aspect of what's true of God, we can actually learn to apply the truth about him and the good news.
Caesar Kalinowski:To unbelief in any area of our life.
Remove:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:So that frees us back up.
Caesar Kalinowski:And it's not because we tried harder, it's 'cause we changed our belief or we allowed the spirit to change our belief.
Heath Hollensbe:Yep.
Heath Hollensbe:You're exactly
Caesar Kalinowski:right.
Caesar Kalinowski:The gospel is the, is the answer to everything.
Caesar Kalinowski:It really is.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's the good news for all life.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:And the third, number three of the big three.
Caesar Kalinowski:Start by making an intentional step toward getting equipped and growing in your gospel fluency today.
Caesar Kalinowski:Half read books about all this.
Caesar Kalinowski:They do.
Caesar Kalinowski:Nobody any good.
Caesar Kalinowski:Take a course, get a coach, find a Missional mentor or a community that you can learn and grow with.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's gonna take some effort.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's gonna take intentionality.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:But every day is an opportunity to grow and mature in Christ and help others do the same.
Caesar Kalinowski:I. It's life on Life.
Caesar Kalinowski:Life in community, and life on mission that we were created for.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:So you're not waiting around anymore, are you okay every in this Now's the time.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right.
Caesar Kalinowski:So yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:Hey, thanks for the big three Caesar.
Heath Hollensbe:And again, if you're listening and you're like, we wanna get coached by Caesar and Tina, the way you can get it working for you, all you have to do is just go to everyday Disciple dot com slash coaching.
Caesar Kalinowski:That would be a huge privilege to get to be family with you for a while and you know, help you move towards that.
Heath Hollensbe:Thanks for joining us today for more information on this show.
Heath Hollensbe:And to get loads of free discipleship resources, visit everyday Disciple dot com and remember, you really can live with a spiritual freedom and relational peace that Jesus promised every day.