Everyday Disciple Cafe – Your Questions Answered
From living on mission without kids… to dealing with negativity in community… to how we approach the Lord’s Supper (and yes—even whether I was once a rockstar), we’re answering as many of your questions as we can in this special year-end episode.
In this episode of the Everyday Disciple Podcast, Heath and Caesar open the floor and respond to real questions sent in by listeners. Some are serious, some are fun, and all of them reflect the everyday realities we’re navigating as we learn to live like Jesus together.
In This Episode You’ll Learn:
- How to live on mission as a couple without kids
- What to do with negative people in your community
- Whether Caesar really was a rockstar back in the day
- Why the Lord’s Supper might be more celebration than ritual
From this episode:
“Time is a finite resource, and once it’s spent—or allowed to spend itself—you never get it back. Whether we realize it or not, every one of us is already making choices about how our time is used. Our days quietly reflect what we truly value, not just what we say matters. No one accidentally ends up with the schedule they have. We choose, again and again, what gets our attention, our energy, and our lives.”
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Links and Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
Coaching and Mentorship in Missional Living by Caesar and his wife Tina
Resources for missional living and group training – Missio Publishing
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Transcript
Jesus, uh, at that first l, last supper, first Lord's supper, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:He, it was Passover, which was one of their hugest, if you were Jews, uh, hugest celebrations ever.
Caesar Kalinowski:And they did it annually, and it still celebrated annually.
Caesar Kalinowski:And it was at that meal that Jesus picked up food and wine, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And he gave them symbols of this new covenant that was sealed in his blood, completed where the new covenant says that not only am I your God, but now.
Caesar Kalinowski:Through my coming, you know, death, my body, my life giving for you and my blood, I have enabled you to be my people.
Caesar Kalinowski:That should be the biggest celebration going on, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:. Heath Hollensbe: Welcome to the Everyday Disciple Podcast, where you'll learn how to live with greater intentionality and an integrated faith that naturally fits into every area of life.
Caesar Kalinowski:In other words, discipleship as a lifestyle.
Caesar Kalinowski:This is the stuff your parents, pastors and seminary professors probably forgot to tell you.
Caesar Kalinowski:And now here's your host, Caesar Kalinowski.
Caesar Kalinowski:Hey, Heath happy almost new year for you, brother.
Caesar Kalinowski:I
Heath Hollensbe:know we just got a couple but 48 hours left for those listening right now.
Caesar Kalinowski:Depending, I guess when they, uh, stream this, I know probably everybody just waits, waits standing by their phone waiting for the alert from midnight on, on Sunday night.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:How was Christmas brother?
Heath Hollensbe:It was good, man.
Heath Hollensbe:It's always fun seeing the, the family.
Heath Hollensbe:Laugh and smile.
Heath Hollensbe:And we had a family thing with a white elephant exchange and that was fun and goofy.
Heath Hollensbe:And were the
Caesar Kalinowski:kids pretty much happy with what they got?
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:Very happy.
Heath Hollensbe:So we, we have a philosophy.
Heath Hollensbe:They only get four gifts.
Heath Hollensbe:It's something you want, something you need something to wear and something to read.
Heath Hollensbe:Wow.
Heath Hollensbe:So they get a book, a piece of, oh, say it again.
Heath Hollensbe:People are gonna want that.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:Something you want.
Heath Hollensbe:Okay.
Heath Hollensbe:It's like a bike or something like that.
Heath Hollensbe:Something you need uhhuh.
Heath Hollensbe:It's like, oh, I need a bike helmet or I Toothbrush ERs.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:Jacket, toothbrush.
Heath Hollensbe:Something to wear.
Heath Hollensbe:And so piece of clothing or like a soccer jersey.
Heath Hollensbe:Okay.
Heath Hollensbe:And something to read a book.
Heath Hollensbe:Okay.
Heath Hollensbe:Four gifts.
Heath Hollensbe:So those
Caesar Kalinowski:might cross pollinate, but that's wonderful.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, I love that.
Heath Hollensbe:And then Kathleen and I have, we don't do gifts, but we do experiences, so it's.
Heath Hollensbe:An overnight to Port Townsend or you know, river Cruise or something like that.
Heath Hollensbe:Wonderful.
Heath Hollensbe:So something spent there, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:How was yours?
Caesar Kalinowski:And it's been four, eight hours.
Caesar Kalinowski:So the kids are playing with boxes now, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:The toys are broke, but on
Caesar Kalinowski:toys are all broke.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, great, great.
Caesar Kalinowski:Always good to be with team K. You know, the grandkids are getting bigger and so that they actually understand like, hey, that's for me.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:And then
Caesar Kalinowski:there's also between the boys though, a little bit more of like, but I want that.
Heath Hollensbe:And you're just a, you're a few weeks away from another, another.
Heath Hollensbe:Member of the seizure.
Heath Hollensbe:A couple or so.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:Just
Caesar Kalinowski:a couple.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Coming up.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And, uh, little baby girl can't wait.
Caesar Kalinowski:Oh my goodness.
Caesar Kalinowski:So yeah, super fun, super fun.
Caesar Kalinowski:And uh, you know, like I said, they all, they want what each other has.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so it's all these opportunities to learn.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like, well see you, we share.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's how a family is.
Caesar Kalinowski:We share.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's how we roll.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's fun, man.
Caesar Kalinowski:Nah, that's super fun.
Caesar Kalinowski:Love it.
Caesar Kalinowski:And man, oh man, we way overeat.
Caesar Kalinowski:All the time because I think I've shared before we have to do all the traditional Christmas stuff.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:But then we have to polish it up.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And people love that.
Caesar Kalinowski:So you kinda have to eat twice.
Caesar Kalinowski:And that's why we have those pink melamine platters that we call the pink plates.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:But the platters
Heath Hollensbe:actually the special event platters.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:That are literally older than me.
Caesar Kalinowski:Crazy.
Caesar Kalinowski:They're bulletproof though.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's amazing.
Caesar Kalinowski:If there's ever a zombie apocalypse, I'm just gonna strap those on me and kids, we survived.
Caesar Kalinowski:Oh yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:We're gold.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's amazing.
Caesar Kalinowski:That is amazing.
Caesar Kalinowski:Alright.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:So maybe this is like a new tradition, our sort of.
Caesar Kalinowski:New Year's Eve, or almost episode, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Because I think last year we did the same thing.
Caesar Kalinowski:We answered a bunch of people's questions, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:From our loyal listening family Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:As it's often referred to.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so I think today we wanna do the same, uh, couple, uh, like a week, two weeks back we threw out on the, uh, Facebook group.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like, what do you want?
Caesar Kalinowski:And we got a whole bunch and we're gonna knock, we probably won't get to everybody's, but we're gonna do the best we can.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And it's pretty rapid fire.
Caesar Kalinowski:So some of these things we're gonna turn into episodes you and I are already talking about.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like I'll give an answer today.
Heath Hollensbe:But there'll be a bigger answer coming up.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:But,
Caesar Kalinowski:we'll, yeah, some of 'em made for really good.
Caesar Kalinowski:So, um, and some of 'em are both, uh, very serious, like discipleship or theological stuff.
Caesar Kalinowski:Uh, and some of 'em are just personal and kind of funny and I think people are poking fun and wanna know.
Caesar Kalinowski:So we're happy to answer those.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:We said
Heath Hollensbe:anything, you know, anything goes, anything
Caesar Kalinowski:goes.
Heath Hollensbe:Let's start with a question from Bambi who asks, okay.
Heath Hollensbe:So much of the Missional living discussion is focused on and delivered by.
Heath Hollensbe:People who have kids.
Heath Hollensbe:Mm-hmm.
Heath Hollensbe:So what are some strategies for developing relationships and extended family on mission for couples without kids?
Caesar Kalinowski:Great question, Bambi, and good to hear from you again.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, yeah, I think we probably do talk a lot because we have kids.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And then I have grandkids and all, and most of our, the folks listen to us.
Caesar Kalinowski:Probably do, but great question.
Caesar Kalinowski:What are some of the strategies for developing relationships and extended family?
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, uh, Bambi, if you're following the show much, or, and I know, I think I've seen you online.
Caesar Kalinowski:I know I have, uh, doing some of the challenges with me on Facebook.
Caesar Kalinowski:The strategies are not actually all that different.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like, I love, like having kids, like when our kids were still at home, I felt like it was low hanging fruit, how many people they would bring home and friends and we get to know some of their friends' parents.
Caesar Kalinowski:And that's still even happening, even though my kids are grown.
Caesar Kalinowski:But some of the, the same strategies kind of apply.
Caesar Kalinowski:In other words, living with an open home, being radically inclusive, so you're inviting your neighbors to anything you're up to, um, getting into predictable patterns.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:So like, Hey, we're gonna start having an open table in our neighborhood.
Caesar Kalinowski:And it doesn't matter if people have kids or not, they can come on over and we're gonna do, you know, simple meal every Thursday night and just build relationship.
Caesar Kalinowski:And, uh, and eventually, hopefully, you know, take that further into discipleship.
Caesar Kalinowski:I wanna remind you that discipleship is always happening, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:So if you're increasing your proximity and relational time with people, you're gonna build relationships and, and remember, discipleship's the process of moving from unbelief to belief.
Caesar Kalinowski:With people about God and who he says they are and how they get, we get to live in light of Christ and all that.
Caesar Kalinowski:Mm-hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so the strategies aren't all that different.
Caesar Kalinowski:Now.
Caesar Kalinowski:Some of what you do in discipling your kids is really key if you have 'em.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:But when you don't, the same rhythms need to apply.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like make sure that you and, uh, the way at least you've worded the question sounds like a couple without kids.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, make sure you and your spouse are living in such a way that people would want to imitate and they'd want to join in on.
Caesar Kalinowski:So that's good if you're not having any kind of fun and meals together and friends over and, and it's like real open for our friends to bring friends, but you know, and I'm not saying this is true of you Bambi, but you're sitting there and you're just kind of eat alone every night in front of the TV and, and then get to whatever hobbies you dig and all.
Caesar Kalinowski:Well, that's not worth joining 'cause everybody has enough of that.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:So start, start with things like having an open table, but like predictable pattern.
Caesar Kalinowski:Not once.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like commit to doing it every Wednesday night or every Thursday night for like, we're gonna do it for the next six months and we're gonna invite the neighbors, we're gonna drop flyers, uh, we're gonna, and we're gonna be listening real well.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:So we can see like, what are their needs, and then we're gonna try to meet people's needs and text 'em and treat 'em like family.
Caesar Kalinowski:Not like guests.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so that's like, there's a strategy that applies to everybody, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Treat people like family, not like guests.
Caesar Kalinowski:Look to serve people.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, anything, little things.
Caesar Kalinowski:I'd say also pick a place like in your neighborhood that like you can hang out on the same time of the week with, so you'll run into the same staff and the same people.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's.
Caesar Kalinowski:That has nothing to do with kids.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right.
Caesar Kalinowski:And, uh, and go there like for like a quiz night or just, I don't know, you know, like the night when there's like football on, if you dig that or whatever, it doesn't even matter.
Caesar Kalinowski:I do stuff where I'm not that into it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like I'll go to a same pub all the time 'cause they're, I know the same people will be there watching Monday night football.
Caesar Kalinowski:I'm not that into football, but I wanna, I wanna get to know my neighbors.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:I, it sounds like what you're saying is like the strategies don't change, but a lot of times the activities can, yeah, because there were some things before we had kids that was way easier, like a predictable pattern for us was we watched the show lost.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah, I mean, every week it was on a Wednesday, I think at eight o'clock.
Heath Hollensbe:The whole neighborhood knew Wednesday, eight o'clock Collins B'S house, boom.
Heath Hollensbe:Kids are asleep, they bring over a bottle of wine, maybe a snack, and we all sit there and laugh.
Heath Hollensbe:For us it was 20 kids aren't running in and out for was
Caesar Kalinowski:I'm older than you.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Couldn't get into the loss,
Heath Hollensbe:but it was just great.
Heath Hollensbe:Like kids are not running in and out, they're asleep.
Heath Hollensbe:It's a predictable pattern.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:That's an easy, and when
Caesar Kalinowski:you don't have kids at home, uh, also rhythms like, I'm gonna hit like a rock club all the time, or I'm gonna go to every art.
Caesar Kalinowski:Every art thing in the city.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:We're just going 'cause we don't have problems with bedtime, you know, all this.
Caesar Kalinowski:So yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Anyway, I think, like you said, the strategies are exactly the same, but maybe the rhythms.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:The activities look a little different.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:Good one.
Heath Hollensbe:Good one.
Heath Hollensbe:Alright.
Heath Hollensbe:Alright.
Heath Hollensbe:Next one is Cassie or Casey, I think it's Casey.
Heath Hollensbe:Casey says, how do you Disciple negative people both outside and within the church?
Heath Hollensbe:Whoa.
Heath Hollensbe:A loaded question.
Heath Hollensbe:What's
Caesar Kalinowski:your thoughts on that, brother?
Heath Hollensbe:Um, yeah, so the discipleship from outside of the church, I mean.
Heath Hollensbe:My family typically comes from a lot of negative people.
Heath Hollensbe:I know working in the church for a long time, I've dealt with a lot of negative people and I, I think for me it is, it is recognizing that certain areas that lead to their negativity are caused by unbelief in other areas.
Heath Hollensbe:So.
Heath Hollensbe:That's just resulting in negativity because there's something that they don't believe to be true or fear.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:Often our negative
Caesar Kalinowski:stuff is fear.
Caesar Kalinowski:I can't control it.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's different than me.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's not the way I was raised.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's not the way my old church did it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah,
Heath Hollensbe:yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:So what I found was, was with relationships that had long term, like people in our church that we were gonna be with for years, I would apply that the invitation, challenge, principle, and really have almost a hi, a hidden agenda, discipleship pathway for them of going.
Heath Hollensbe:I'm not gonna call 'em out here 'cause this is an area of unbelief, but over time I'm gonna invite them into.
Heath Hollensbe:Seeing what's true about the gospel and then actually mentoring, discipling them from unbelief to belief in that area.
Caesar Kalinowski:Love that man.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I gotta say this too, is like, 'cause I'm not exactly sure Casey, what's behind that question, like negative people, but I'm, I'm kind of, here's what I picture is like, I've got these people coming around.
Caesar Kalinowski:Some of 'em are from church, some are neighbors and some of 'em are just freaking negative, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Mm-hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:Well, we talk about this a lot, that you wanna Disciple People of Peace.
Caesar Kalinowski:Meaning people who are leaning into this lifestyle.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And they wanna learn about Jesus and get nega.
Caesar Kalinowski:Negative people are generally not People of Peace, so give your best time.
Caesar Kalinowski:Discipling people who are leaning in, they're not negative.
Caesar Kalinowski:And sometimes you gotta let the negatives go.
Caesar Kalinowski:Remember Jesus, you can listen to any of our teaching on finding your People of Peace out there.
Caesar Kalinowski:And absolutely, Heath, I completely agree with you.
Caesar Kalinowski:Invitation and challenge.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sometimes if a person seems like they're kind of nice, but they're just kind of negative about everything, it could be fear.
Caesar Kalinowski:So drop a lot of invitation in their life time with you, maybe more one-on-one time away from like the crowd or the group setting or whatever, so that you can bring some challenge, go, you know, you come off kind of negative on some of these things and I think maybe like listening and learning and maybe this book would help.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I don't know.
Caesar Kalinowski:So we did an episode on that.
Caesar Kalinowski:Hey.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:The two episodes I throw out would be episode 3 79 is where To Find Your Unique People of Peace.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:So that's a good ramp up.
Heath Hollensbe:Okay.
Heath Hollensbe:And then also if you're looking for the, uh, invitation and challenge and what that looks like.
Heath Hollensbe:Moving, um, people from unbelief to belief.
Heath Hollensbe:Uh, that is episode 425.
Heath Hollensbe:There you go.
Heath Hollensbe:Some ways for you to jump in right away.
Heath Hollensbe:Alrighty, next one.
Heath Hollensbe:Alright, next question.
Heath Hollensbe:From Michael and Kelly.
Heath Hollensbe:Michael and Kelly say this question has absolutely nothing to do with Missional living gospel in each other's hearts or et cetera.
Heath Hollensbe:But the other day, I was Googling Caesar and I came across a sweet MySpace picture of Caesar Sporting an awesome seventies, eighties hairdo.
Heath Hollensbe:Hmm rock and roll tattoo, and Les Paul wondering if Caesar still plays a guitar, has a favorite guitar, and what his favorite seventies or eighties band is.
Heath Hollensbe:Ooh.
Heath Hollensbe:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:Wow.
Caesar Kalinowski:There's a lot there.
Caesar Kalinowski:There's a lot.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay, so first off, when does MySpace quit?
Caesar Kalinowski:Just like existing out there, but that forever picture you're talking about forever.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:So I played in a rock band from the time I was about 16 through, uh, I don't know, forever.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right.
Caesar Kalinowski:But I don't currently.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, and that picture you're talking about, uh, you know I was a rock star man, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And, uh, Tina actually took that photo, our band shoot back then, that's all we could afford.
Caesar Kalinowski:What was the band name?
Caesar Kalinowski:The band was called Jack's Meets Awesome.
Caesar Kalinowski:Jack's Meets we actually rehearsed right around the corner from a butcher shop, and it was a guy named Jack owned it, and it just said Jack's meets.
Caesar Kalinowski:And we're like, that's the best band there.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so, yes, I still have the rock and roll tattoo.
Caesar Kalinowski:Those are permanent, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, I sold the Les Paul when I moved out to, uh, Tacoma to start church planting.
Caesar Kalinowski:It kind of paid for the moving truck.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:Statins a bunch of, I just sold mine
Heath Hollensbe:too.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, I don't play the guitar much.
Caesar Kalinowski:You don't ever stop.
Caesar Kalinowski:I could pick up a rain now and play it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:But it'd be like Rusty mc ruster, you know, you know, horrible.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, my favorite guitar, uh, I still own is a 1976 Mahogany.
Caesar Kalinowski:Gibson flying V.
Heath Hollensbe:Oh wow.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's cool.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's body through the neck.
Caesar Kalinowski:Solid.
Caesar Kalinowski:Go.
Caesar Kalinowski:Gorgeous.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And probably worth a bunch.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:But I, I promised Dean I would, I would, I'll never sell it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Hey, hang on to this.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, and last part of that question.
Caesar Kalinowski:Wonderful.
Caesar Kalinowski:Uh, favorite seventies, eighties band.
Caesar Kalinowski:There is no favorite 'cause, like a good friend of mine, Mike Kaufman, told me years ago when we had our record company.
Caesar Kalinowski:He says, you know, the more you love music, the more music you love.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so there's too many, but, well, you know what?
Caesar Kalinowski:First thing that came to mind when I read that?
Caesar Kalinowski:What's that?
Caesar Kalinowski:The cars.
Caesar Kalinowski:Really?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Car I, here's, I'll give you three right away they just go binging Bing and they, they can fight it out in the rock and roll Heavenly realms.
Caesar Kalinowski:The cars Led Zeppelin and Aerosmith.
Caesar Kalinowski:I just, those are my Desert Island disc bands.
Caesar Kalinowski:And
Heath Hollensbe:you said you saw.
Heath Hollensbe:Aerosmith recently, and he still got it.
Caesar Kalinowski:I've seen him many times.
Caesar Kalinowski:We saw him at their In Vegas last year.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Earlier.
Caesar Kalinowski:No, earlier this year at their, uh, what do they call that?
Caesar Kalinowski:Residency?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, the residency.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so they get to like play the same gig, you know, uh, every night Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Without having to move the sets.
Caesar Kalinowski:So it was phenomenal in video screens.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:And they still sound, uh, killer.
Caesar Kalinowski:I didn't see Led Zeppelin, uh, had tickets.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:When John Bonham the drummer died.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:That bo that, that was a bummer.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I never did see the cars live.
Caesar Kalinowski:And now Rick Casick just passed.
Heath Hollensbe:Bummer.
Heath Hollensbe:First band I ever saw live was Jefferson Starship, and there's video of me at three years old.
Heath Hollensbe:I've seen them.
Heath Hollensbe:Oh, they're great.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:Uh, I also saw the Scorpions, which was an amazing, I've seen them many times.
Heath Hollensbe:And the, uh, I think my favorite eighties band that I've always wanted to see, and I bought tickets.
Heath Hollensbe:Please, I hope I've
Caesar Kalinowski:seen them.
Heath Hollensbe:I bought tickets two years ago and they canceled and have stopped touring since his Huey Lewis in the news.
Caesar Kalinowski:I didn't see it.
Heath Hollensbe:I thought that would just be a fun show.
Heath Hollensbe:My
Caesar Kalinowski:brother-in-law, Dave Summit, said they were killer.
Caesar Kalinowski:They Summit Milwaukee Fest.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:Bummer.
Heath Hollensbe:All right, next question.
Heath Hollensbe:Now let's get spiritual one more time.
Heath Hollensbe:All right.
Heath Hollensbe:Rants asks about the Lord's Supper.
Heath Hollensbe:Has a couple really great questions here.
Heath Hollensbe:Okay.
Heath Hollensbe:Uh, first one is, should the Lord's Supper be a somber, serious individualistic thing or.
Heath Hollensbe:Uh, what other expressions of this could be more life-giving and celebratory and even communal.
Caesar Kalinowski:Wow.
Caesar Kalinowski:I love this.
Caesar Kalinowski:And in fact, rants, uh, thank you for this question.
Caesar Kalinowski:I put it on the list of full up episodes, full on episodes that are gonna come up.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:'cause it's too, it's too good.
Caesar Kalinowski:Let, but I am gonna, because we're just trying to get through a lot, I'm gonna give you a quick question on that first part.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, it does not have to be somber.
Caesar Kalinowski:In fact, think about it, Jesus.
Caesar Kalinowski:At that first last supper, first Lord's supper.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right.
Caesar Kalinowski:It was Passover, which was one of their hugest, if you were Jews, uh, hugest celebrations ever.
Caesar Kalinowski:And they did it annually and it still celebrated annually.
Caesar Kalinowski:And it was at that meal that Jesus picked up food and wine, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And he gave them symbols of this new covenant that was sealed in his blood, completed where the new covenant says that not only am I your God, but now through my.
Caesar Kalinowski:Coming, you know, death, my body, my life giving for you and my blood.
Caesar Kalinowski:I've enabled you to be my people.
Caesar Kalinowski:That should be the biggest celebra celebration going on.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, that's right.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so this whole idea of doing it only once a quarter, you know, or a couple times a year, and we do the little plastic cups, you know, with a little dribble of grape juice and a little.
Caesar Kalinowski:The of
Heath Hollensbe:Christ Shed for you.
Heath Hollensbe:Oh my gosh.
Heath Hollensbe:We
Caesar Kalinowski:just read the same little bit of scripture.
Caesar Kalinowski:No, it totally can be celebratory and communal.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, throughout the years when I was still leading at Soma, we celebrated communion every single time we got together, like, you know, for like a weekend gathering.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And very often in mic initial community life at meals too, because that's what they did in the early church, that it was always.
Caesar Kalinowski:When the church gathered, it was primarily around, they called it the agape Feast.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:Which was like a rich, fun meal with Christ at the center.
Caesar Kalinowski:And they would remember his life, death, and resurrection.
Caesar Kalinowski:'cause he had said that, Hey, as often as you do this, what?
Caesar Kalinowski:Get together and eat.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:It wasn't meant to be these little weird, you know, wafery things.
Caesar Kalinowski:It was like whenever you get together as my body, as my family.
Caesar Kalinowski:Remember this and do this and remem it to me, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so what we would do is we would have people come up.
Caesar Kalinowski:We did it all kinds of ways.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's the other thing is, by the way, don't just pick the way that your tradition has always been and like, yeah, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Like, oh my gosh, make it so every, it flowed right outta the message.
Caesar Kalinowski:Whatever the word we were teaching it flowed right out of it, which gives you a different sort of.
Caesar Kalinowski:Way of looking at and experiencing every time.
Caesar Kalinowski:And we always invited people to come up as a Missional Community, as couples with your kids, as a family, as a group of friends, and say, this is Christ's body given for you.
Caesar Kalinowski:And hand hand that person to bread and, and this is his blood shed for you.
Caesar Kalinowski:A new covenant.
Caesar Kalinowski:So we're, we're family now we, we are a family of missionary servants.
Caesar Kalinowski:Mm-hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:And we would share that.
Caesar Kalinowski:And it is.
Caesar Kalinowski:It can be very, very celebratory and I think it actually should be.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:It shouldn't be the sad, sad thing that Jesus has now given us new eternal life and His Holy Spirit to dwell on us.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, right.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's more
Heath Hollensbe:of a foretelling of the future than a, than a. Backward looking lens at the The last supper you Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:Because he
Caesar Kalinowski:was saying as often as you do this to get a future looking.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, absolutely.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:So remember me, but remember what it's provided.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's the new covenant.
Caesar Kalinowski:Woo.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:Alright.
Heath Hollensbe:His second question is a bit more controversial, but he was saying in his old church, uh, they had a lesbian couple that attended and participated in taking communion.
Heath Hollensbe:With the rest of the church.
Heath Hollensbe:Mm-hmm.
Heath Hollensbe:But then the church leadership said that they were welcome to attend but not allowed to take communion, which is a step back.
Heath Hollensbe:Sounds like.
Heath Hollensbe:So his question is, which sins disqualify someone from taking communion and how is this reconciled biblically?
Heath Hollensbe:Is it only homosexuals that are not able to take it?
Heath Hollensbe:Or is it anyone practicing sin?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Wow.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:So the real underlying question there, the thing behind the thing in your que second part of that question, rants is like.
Caesar Kalinowski:Are we called to, uh, fence the table, as it were.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's a term out there if you've ever heard it.
Caesar Kalinowski:But like they call fencing the table, meaning like, who gets to take communion?
Caesar Kalinowski:And we gotta be very careful.
Caesar Kalinowski:Some of that's a residual coming outta the Catholic church.
Caesar Kalinowski:Mm-hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:Where it was like only people who were like members of a local body and they were recognized and they were kind of up on their tithe.
Caesar Kalinowski:They'd been given their money and they weren't behind on their payments and all that.
Caesar Kalinowski:And they were known by the, the.
Caesar Kalinowski:The local priests were allowed to take it.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so we kind of, even in evangelicalism, we kind of picked up this sort of residual, like, oh, we've gotta be very careful and you gotta, you know, it has to be a Christian.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:And you're like, really?
Caesar Kalinowski:Who says, so who did Jesus take communion with?
Caesar Kalinowski:Like the, the Last Supper who's sitting around the table?
Caesar Kalinowski:Christians, everybody crazy.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:No,
Caesar Kalinowski:no.
Caesar Kalinowski:There weren't any Christians yet.
Caesar Kalinowski:And you said, well, yeah, but those were his disciples.
Caesar Kalinowski:They had been with him for three years at that point.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:But it says in Matthew 28 that at Jesus' ascension, so after his resurrection Yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:At his ascension, it says, some of the disciples still didn't believe.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:So they clearly, Jesus wasn't doing the first, you know, the first last supper, like the, the, the Lord Supper.
Caesar Kalinowski:He wasn't doing that with a bunch of Christians.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay?
Caesar Kalinowski:Mm-hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:So when we say, oh, only Christians.
Caesar Kalinowski:I think it's anybody who's wanting to be with Christ and leaning into Christ is what you see there.
Caesar Kalinowski:And as often as you get together he says, do this right, but But then also just like move a few verses or chapters ahead and says in acts like people were adding to their numbers daily, who was hanging out and wanting to understand it, and they were teaching in the synagogues as well.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's what Jewish people there.
Caesar Kalinowski:We didn't have this understanding of Christians, and by the way, that was a derogatory term, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:That like we have to exclude this.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so how we've always managed it, by the way too.
Caesar Kalinowski:Uh, Jesus never ranked sin.
Caesar Kalinowski:He never said, uh, your sins a little worse.
Caesar Kalinowski:You get in the back of the line, uh, you seem to be a little less sinning, or at least you sin in ways that I do, so it doesn't bug me as much, so I'll put you at the front of the line or ahead of the table.
Caesar Kalinowski:In fact, he, he warned against that, didn't he?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, he said, don't do that to people.
Caesar Kalinowski:Don't do that.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's not how the kingdom of God is.
Caesar Kalinowski:The least he says gets seated right up front and invited into the banquet, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so let's not rank sin or anything like that.
Caesar Kalinowski:And we don't know people's hearts.
Caesar Kalinowski:If people are leaning in and they want that, and that's how we would say it in community.
Caesar Kalinowski:We'd say, Hey, this might be brand new to you.
Caesar Kalinowski:If, if this is something that you know, you're like leaning in, trying to understand Jesus.
Caesar Kalinowski:You want him learn how to walk with him, you want him to be lowered in your life, then that's what this is about.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:This is a celebration of you have nothing left to do except receive his gift.
Caesar Kalinowski:He has already done it.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's finished.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's yours.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:Now doesn't that just sound much so open?
Caesar Kalinowski:And then when you look at who.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like who he did it with and who he excluded.
Caesar Kalinowski:Nobody, you know.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And who he did it with.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sinners that weren't Christians yet, you know.
Caesar Kalinowski:'cause Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:When, who knows when that crossed the line, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:So, yeah, it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Back to your original question, rans, have a blast with it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Do it different every week.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like, just make it a celebration.
Caesar Kalinowski:Try it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Let people serve each other.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like, oh, they might spill something on the carpet.
Caesar Kalinowski:Whatever.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, like Or on our new seats.
Caesar Kalinowski:Oh, I don't then get old seats.
Caesar Kalinowski:I, you know, I don't all that stuff.
Heath Hollensbe:It's so crazy.
Caesar Kalinowski:So
Heath Hollensbe:anyway.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:Good answer, man.
Heath Hollensbe:So, Twila, you might remember from past episodes as a guest wrote in.
Heath Hollensbe:What, by the way, great guest, like, oh man.
Heath Hollensbe:If you didn't
Caesar Kalinowski:hear that, go and listen to her.
Caesar Kalinowski:Talk about neighborhood Missional living for the imperfectly.
Caesar Kalinowski:Ready?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:Episode 3 82.
Caesar Kalinowski:So good.
Heath Hollensbe:She said favorite music and I'm assuming Christmas music, economy of
Caesar Kalinowski:words.
Caesar Kalinowski:I don't know.
Caesar Kalinowski:I Christmas music, all of it.
Caesar Kalinowski:I don't know.
Caesar Kalinowski:I like swing orchestra stuff.
Caesar Kalinowski:I like the, you know,
Heath Hollensbe:we saw Brian Setzer together a couple years ago and that was rocking.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:We had tickets
Caesar Kalinowski:again this year, bro.
Caesar Kalinowski:He
Heath Hollensbe:canceled.
Heath Hollensbe:He
Caesar Kalinowski:canceled.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, I saw that we had him.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Tinnitus.
Heath Hollensbe:Oh, tinnitus.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like where your ears ring.
Heath Hollensbe:Oh, severe.
Caesar Kalinowski:It is, I guess it's hard to see when you rock
Heath Hollensbe:that hard for so long you're gonna have hearing B, so
Caesar Kalinowski:no, I'm assuming it wasn't a Christmas, favorite Christmas music.
Caesar Kalinowski:I mean, you can land them on people if you want.
Caesar Kalinowski:I don't, nothing specific comes to mind.
Caesar Kalinowski:I really like sets or stuff and I, and I like, yeah, I dig into that.
Caesar Kalinowski:And then, oh, Harry Connick Best.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:Oh, okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:We always say in our family and team K, it's not Christmas till Harry s. Interesting.
Caesar Kalinowski:So we set up the tree to Harry and we listen all like now, and then we listen that morning too.
Caesar Kalinowski:So,
Heath Hollensbe:okay.
Heath Hollensbe:So I would, mine would be, uh, Christmas.
Heath Hollensbe:There's a new album produced by my buddy Michael Gungar, but by an artist called Nicole Norman who has an album Fragile that is maybe the best Christmas album I've ever heard.
Heath Hollensbe:I didn't hear it.
Heath Hollensbe:So next year, cue up.
Heath Hollensbe:Okay.
Heath Hollensbe:Queue up.
Heath Hollensbe:Alright, so the general music though, what are, what's some of your favorite music?
Heath Hollensbe:Uh, so right now I'm listening to an artist named NF who's like a. Rap, hip hop singing kind of guy.
Heath Hollensbe:Uh, you know, I'm not big on that, but yeah, I know.
Heath Hollensbe:I do.
Heath Hollensbe:I'm a
Caesar Kalinowski:huge fan of Chance.
Caesar Kalinowski:Chance The Rapper.
Caesar Kalinowski:Oh yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Chance Rapper.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Really, really talented.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I love
Heath Hollensbe:a group called Dirty Loops out of the, uh, I think they're out of Sweden, but they're.
Heath Hollensbe:Wow.
Heath Hollensbe:Unbelievable musicians.
Heath Hollensbe:And so Dirty Loops is kind of on my jam right now.
Caesar Kalinowski:I my Spotify Autumn Auto playlist, you know, it kind of picks up on what you're listening to it, so it's like, mine is so freaky.
Caesar Kalinowski:'cause like, you know, like I said, the more you love music, the more music you love.
Caesar Kalinowski:So like, it came up, uh, today actually it came up and it played, uh, Chris Isaac, which I love.
Caesar Kalinowski:Oh yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:But not like one of his most popular ones.
Caesar Kalinowski:But I love all his stuff.
Caesar Kalinowski:Just saw him live recently and right after piece of classical music.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know.
Caesar Kalinowski:Oh yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, lots of old croner stuff.
Caesar Kalinowski:I like really, really old timey country.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like, especially the female artists.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:And gimme some Patsy Klein, you know what I mean?
Caesar Kalinowski:Oh, that old, like going way back, not like, whoa.
Caesar Kalinowski:Way, way.
Caesar Kalinowski:Not like
Heath Hollensbe:Reba or Wynona.
Heath Hollensbe:No, no,
Caesar Kalinowski:no.
Caesar Kalinowski:Way back.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And, and Dolly, um, not so much that era.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like, I mean, I might, I got nothing against Dolly.
Caesar Kalinowski:Uh, she's great.
Caesar Kalinowski:Paty, KLE.
Caesar Kalinowski:Wow.
Caesar Kalinowski:But I go back, I go way back.
Caesar Kalinowski:I love, I love, um.
Caesar Kalinowski:I love fifties weird stuff too.
Caesar Kalinowski:I like horror music a lot, so I like stuff like Muse and all.
Caesar Kalinowski:I'm an old buck, so, you know, you, you tend to listen to a lot of what you used to listen to.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, but I, I am always searching out like new stuff to listen to as much as I can.
Caesar Kalinowski:Love the Black Keys.
Caesar Kalinowski:Oh my goodness.
Caesar Kalinowski:Do you have a favorite band of all time or No.
Caesar Kalinowski:Well, like I was saying, it's very, very hard to, uh, pick one.
Caesar Kalinowski:So for me, it, it'd be all of all times.
Caesar Kalinowski:It'd be it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like I said, it was, it's, it's Aerosmith and Zeppelin in the cars, but man, oh man, I listen to a ton, a Setser.
Caesar Kalinowski:I listen to a ton of Chris Isaac.
Caesar Kalinowski:I just do.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:Um, I'll say my favorite song of all time is You Get What You Give by The New Radicals.
Heath Hollensbe:Oh.
Heath Hollensbe:And my favorite band of all time is a Iceland band called Siguro, S-I-G-U-R.
Heath Hollensbe:R os.
Heath Hollensbe:Wow.
Heath Hollensbe:So if you haven't listened,
Caesar Kalinowski:love me some Elvis Costello, just thinking, oh yeah, just that guy.
Caesar Kalinowski:What a writer.
Caesar Kalinowski:Oh my goodness.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I, and it's weird, I didn't listen to him like, like young growing up.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:Because I was into much more guitar heavy stuff, and I probably lean that way still, but, oh man, I loved it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Awesome.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:So there you go.
Caesar Kalinowski:Anyway, Twila, there's some stuff.
Caesar Kalinowski:Thanks for the question.
Caesar Kalinowski:All
Heath Hollensbe:right.
Heath Hollensbe:Alright.
Heath Hollensbe:Elizabeth asks, is baptism a necessary part of our salvation?
Caesar Kalinowski:Wow.
Caesar Kalinowski:Great question, Elizabeth.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's really a theological question and um, some people differ on their understanding of that, but I would say that, uh, by and large, by and large, uh, Christianity, certainly evangelicalism would say that baptism is not salvific, that's the technical term.
Caesar Kalinowski:It does not procure or secure your salvation.
Caesar Kalinowski:Uh, baptism is an external expression within community.
Caesar Kalinowski:Of your new identity in Christ, that you are now a Disciple of Jesus.
Caesar Kalinowski:You're following him.
Caesar Kalinowski:You recognize him as Lord and Savior, but it really is a discipleship issue.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so in Matthew 28, the verse most often quoted, where Jesus says, go and make disciples now of mine.
Caesar Kalinowski:Teach 'em to obey everything that I've commanded and taught you.
Caesar Kalinowski:And then he says, and baptize them in the name of the Father, in the name of the Son and the name of the Holy Spirit.
Caesar Kalinowski:Those are all identity statements.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so baptism, nowhere in scripture.
Caesar Kalinowski:Can I find, and I would say that general Christianity would agree with me on this, is it have anything to do with you being saved?
Caesar Kalinowski:It's a proclamation of your discipleship and the lordship Jesus has over you.
Caesar Kalinowski:I wanna follow after him and be like him.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And live his life in light of my new secured, soaked in baptized identity being a. Part of the family of God and a missionary servants, our identity flows right outta that Trinity, who we are created in the image of God flows out of that baptism is like, almost like a re, like a, like a remembering and a proclaiming, we're restarting things.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, created in the, in the image of a triune God, father, son, and spirit.
Caesar Kalinowski:So
Heath Hollensbe:that's good man.
Heath Hollensbe:I was thinking as Caesar was talking here about an episode we did on how baptism shapes our identity and culture with, uh, pastor Eric Peterson.
Heath Hollensbe:So if you go back, that's episode 2 31 if you want deep dive, a little bit more's really well, yeah, that's a
Caesar Kalinowski:little different topic part there, but that'll still give you some more information.
Caesar Kalinowski:Cool.
Heath Hollensbe:Let's go to the next one.
Heath Hollensbe:Alright, next question comes from Troy Miller.
Heath Hollensbe:This is gonna make you laugh.
Heath Hollensbe:What are some of your Caesar Heath favorite rhythms?
Heath Hollensbe:IE sausage eggs.
Heath Hollensbe:Come on and come on.
Heath Hollensbe:Salami eggs.
Heath Hollensbe:It's
Caesar Kalinowski:salami eggs.
Caesar Kalinowski:Troy, I think that's what you mean.
Caesar Kalinowski:And the fact that you said that you're either jacking with me or you haven't made it yet.
Caesar Kalinowski:Which Tisk.
Caesar Kalinowski:Tisk.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:A lump a coal for you this season, what are your favorite rhythms?
Caesar Kalinowski:Like that?
Caesar Kalinowski:Uh, you mean other food stuff?
Caesar Kalinowski:Then you go, what are some of your favorite podcasts and YouTube channels and authors and all.
Caesar Kalinowski:Wow.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:So other food.
Caesar Kalinowski:God, I'm not gonna get into food stuffs.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like there's just too many polish stuff, man.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah,
Heath Hollensbe:we do, uh,
Caesar Kalinowski:we do cinnamon rolls on Christmas morning.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's one of our traditions.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:So, I don't know favorite rhythms.
Caesar Kalinowski:Uh, for us being polish, we, we have to have, uh, smoked sausage for breakfast on both Christmas and Easter morning.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's just how we roll.
Caesar Kalinowski:I remember one year, Tina, it was like, just didn't have it outta the blue after 20 years.
Caesar Kalinowski:I'm like, what?
Caesar Kalinowski:And she's like, hold on.
Caesar Kalinowski:She ran out and found some, you know, it wasn't the best, but we had it.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:Don't want Jesus to have to leap off the throne 'cause we missed our polar sausage.
Caesar Kalinowski:Kidding.
Caesar Kalinowski:Uh, what else, what are some of your favorite podcasts?
Caesar Kalinowski:What do you listen to?
Caesar Kalinowski:Heath?
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah, so, um, right now.
Heath Hollensbe:So when it comes to podcast authors, we talked about music a few ago.
Heath Hollensbe:I just
Caesar Kalinowski:listen to Everyday Disciple over and over.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's what I recommend by the way I speak to it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah,
Heath Hollensbe:no, I listen to, um, a podcast called The New Mystics with John Crowder, who's been rocking my world a little bit lately.
Heath Hollensbe:Uh, my favorite authors right now are, are Brian Zd.
Heath Hollensbe:Um, I've always loved Rob Bell 'cause I don't always agree with him, but he challenges me on a lot of stuff and uh, I'm with you
Caesar Kalinowski:there too.
Caesar Kalinowski:I know a lot of people lose their mind right now.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's like, listen, uh, he's our brother.
Caesar Kalinowski:He's actually, I know him.
Caesar Kalinowski:Uh, I don't agree with everything, but boy, he does challenge me too on some stuff.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yes.
Caesar Kalinowski:Causes me to for the better.
Caesar Kalinowski:So his
Heath Hollensbe:podcast is one I listen to quite a bit.
Heath Hollensbe:The Robcast?
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:Okay.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:What's, uh, do you have any podcasts?
Heath Hollensbe:Because I know you were on Jones and on a couple for a while, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Well, I, I tend to only listen to podcasts in the car generally.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um.
Caesar Kalinowski:Not always, but um, I listen to like Crime Junkie, you know, and Tina and I usually like, since we're driving, it's like, hey, let's listen to something that's kind of story based and we can kinda like just lose time.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:So that's kind of that.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, I do listen to a few business styled podcasts.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, Russell Brunson's, some of his stuff and um, uh, what's the other one called?
Caesar Kalinowski:Uh, John Lee Doonas.
Caesar Kalinowski:His, uh, EO Fire.
Caesar Kalinowski:I kinda like that a little bit.
Caesar Kalinowski:Hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:So I kind of p and choose around some of that stuff.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, and, uh, let's see, as far as books and authors, oh man, I am a reader.
Caesar Kalinowski:Uh, and so, let's see, um, I just recently reread Andy Andrews, uh, book on, uh, the Traveler Story.
Caesar Kalinowski:I think that's what it's called.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, lemme see.
Caesar Kalinowski:I'm just gonna real quick.
Caesar Kalinowski:Pull that up.
Caesar Kalinowski:'cause, uh.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's, it's a classic, uh, the Traveler's gift.
Caesar Kalinowski:I'm sorry.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:So that's a pretty crazy book.
Caesar Kalinowski:I've read it before and I just recently read it again.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, I'm, I'm just, I just got, uh, the next Right Thing by Emily Freeman.
Caesar Kalinowski:In fact, Twila suggested that one, and so boom, I got that right away.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, I, I'll read a lot of fiction on vacations.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay, so just have vacation and I just generally try not to read theology and Missional stuff and all that.
Caesar Kalinowski:Hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, so yeah, kind of work working through, uh, an Equal Justice and some other stuff.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, super Fans by Pat Flynn.
Caesar Kalinowski:There's a business book.
Caesar Kalinowski:I like Pat Flynn a lot.
Caesar Kalinowski:His podcasts are solid.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um.
Caesar Kalinowski:Let's
Heath Hollensbe:see.
Heath Hollensbe:Um, I'm looking up the last two books that I ordered on Amazon.
Heath Hollensbe:One of 'em is Jesus and the Jewish Roots of the Eucharist Unlocking the Secrets of The Last Supper.
Heath Hollensbe:Is it good?
Heath Hollensbe:Uh, yeah, so far I'm only halfway through it.
Heath Hollensbe:Okay.
Heath Hollensbe:And then I'm also, uh, right now reading, it's about a thousand pages long, but it's a New Testament and it's world.
Heath Hollensbe:An introduction to the history, literature and theology of the First Christians by NT Wright.
Heath Hollensbe:All right, sound smart, Heath.
Heath Hollensbe:Go for it.
Heath Hollensbe:I'm a total nerd.
Heath Hollensbe:The new
Caesar Kalinowski:I, I got the new, uh, Tim Keller book, encounters with Jesus.
Caesar Kalinowski:Oh, wow.
Caesar Kalinowski:And, uh, anything Tim Keller?
Caesar Kalinowski:Uh, I've read not every one of his books.
Caesar Kalinowski:Mostly, yeah, mostly solid dude.
Caesar Kalinowski:Lots of meat.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, you talked about John Crowder, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:John, yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:I read his book, cosmos Reborn.
Caesar Kalinowski:Mind Blowing.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:Some people right away they're gonna freak on that.
Caesar Kalinowski:They're gonna put him in a weird camp and he's kind of a weird cap, but boy does he make me think you and I text each other and like burn up the phone reading that stuff.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, because this stuff is wild.
Caesar Kalinowski:So those are, are some of the guys.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:So there you go.
Caesar Kalinowski:I mean, golly, I'm, I'm scrolling through my stuff.
Caesar Kalinowski:Literally, it's a zillion pages of books that I've bought and downloaded and read.
Caesar Kalinowski:So.
Caesar Kalinowski:Anyway.
Caesar Kalinowski:There you go.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's awesome.
Caesar Kalinowski:I hope that helps you out.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay, so we did have one other sort of, well, two other questions that kind of, uh, were kind of the same.
Caesar Kalinowski:We're not gonna have time to get to 'em, but we're gonna mention 'em because we're gonna give you some resources to get 'em answered 'cause they're too long.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, so Tyler said, are there any examples that are tradi traditional churches, quote.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, making the transition to more Missional approach?
Caesar Kalinowski:Absolutely.
Caesar Kalinowski:They are out there.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, anything put out by Austin Stone in Austin, they are sort of a both and church.
Caesar Kalinowski:Mm-hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:I wouldn't say it's a hundred percent Missional, but it's also not a hundred percent attractional, but they have worked really, really hard.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's where the Virgin Network came out of there.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, and there definitely are.
Caesar Kalinowski:And, and, um, and then, uh, Rob Ford also said, you know, I wanna throw out what are the first steps for a church that's excited about incoming increasingly Missional?
Caesar Kalinowski:What should they take?
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, I'll tell you the, if I had to give a short answer, the overall answer is unless the leaders, and I'm talking about the senior pastor, the elders, deacons, unless the leaders.
Caesar Kalinowski:Really digging in and living this lifestyle.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I'm not talking about they're in a small group or they started something that they named a Missional Community, but they're really starting to make disciples as a lifestyle.
Caesar Kalinowski:The churches have never made it.
Caesar Kalinowski:I've never seen one yet.
Caesar Kalinowski:Interesting.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right.
Caesar Kalinowski:And uh, so that's a big part of it.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's like, so what are the, some of the first steps if you're a leader in a church, start.
Caesar Kalinowski:Getting into Missional Community, if you like.
Caesar Kalinowski:Well, I don't even know how to start.
Caesar Kalinowski:Well, listen, that's why we do coaching.
Caesar Kalinowski:Mm-hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I talk about it from time to time.
Caesar Kalinowski:You go everyday Disciple dot com slash coaching and find my coaching stuff.
Caesar Kalinowski:But we coach people and couples and pastors and whole churches to make those transitions.
Caesar Kalinowski:So you, but you have to do it as leaders.
Caesar Kalinowski:There's also some, uh, episodes.
Caesar Kalinowski:This is where we kind of wanted to.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah, the, a couple episodes we direct you to right away is, uh, episode 4 0 5 is Your Church Successful, new Benchmarks for Ministry, and then also episode two 17, which is why is discipleship so rare in our churches?
Heath Hollensbe:So those two will get you going when you
Caesar Kalinowski:listen to that.
Caesar Kalinowski:Is your church successful?
Caesar Kalinowski:And the benchmarks we give, um, you wanna, like, how do we transition or which churches are successful at making this transition?
Caesar Kalinowski:The ones that have changed what they measure.
Heath Hollensbe:Okay.
Heath Hollensbe:' Caesar Kalinowski: cause you start to lead towards what you measure, right?
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:And
Caesar Kalinowski:then why is discipleship so rare in our churches?
Caesar Kalinowski:Like you said, uh, that episode two 17, that is really about because leaders won't live it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:They want to talk about it and send people to do something.
Caesar Kalinowski:They've never been discipled or made a Disciple, but they feel like preaching is enough or that's what their role is in it.
Caesar Kalinowski:And preaching's not discipleship.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's great.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's an, it's one of God's graces.
Caesar Kalinowski:Love it.
Caesar Kalinowski:I'm a preacher, but it's not necessarily discipleship.
Caesar Kalinowski:Certainly it's not all of it.
Caesar Kalinowski:So there's a couple of, that's a short answer and a couple of resources to kind of fill you up.
Heath Hollensbe:And sometimes you might take a risk and as a pastor and lose your job.
Heath Hollensbe:And you know what?
Heath Hollensbe:God is a good provider and he will, he, he will fund the way that, well, I
Caesar Kalinowski:know some people that have made been leading this transition and have successfully closed their churches.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:'cause people would not go there.
Caesar Kalinowski:Alright, so, so this week.
Caesar Kalinowski:This is where we usually get to the big three.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:Hey, real quick, also, I know some people also threw some questions in a little bit late, or we didn't get to all of them, but they're on our radar for making some actual full episodes out of it.
Heath Hollensbe:Awesome.
Heath Hollensbe:If we missed you, if we didn't get to, I wanna thank
Caesar Kalinowski:everybody who we did get to and just as much Thank you.
Caesar Kalinowski:If we didn't,
Heath Hollensbe:yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:So
Heath Hollensbe:now we want to ask for Kiss a Christmas gift from our listeners now.
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Caesar Kalinowski:it's, it's you.
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Heath Hollensbe:Yeah, me neither, but we'd love to have you.
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Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Would you please just do that?
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Heath Hollensbe:Alright.
Heath Hollensbe:Alright, let's jump to the big three, but we're gonna do it a little bit different than usual.
Heath Hollensbe:So the big three are the takeaways that if nothing else we want you to walk away with from the show.
Heath Hollensbe:And we usually give them as like a downloadable PDF that people can get for free.
Heath Hollensbe:But this week we're gonna just, there's not one topic.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:So there's
Heath Hollensbe:three.
Caesar Kalinowski:So I, I thought, what would be the three things I'd wanna leave you from this?
Caesar Kalinowski:So I, this isn't like, like he said, this isn't even gonna be a download, but real quick, I, you know, and we try to sort of structure these as head, heart, hands.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, that's how we do 'em.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:So here's what I, I would wanna leave you with.
Caesar Kalinowski:Jesus lived the best possible life of any human being so far, okay?
Caesar Kalinowski:Mm-hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:And he believed his true identity, and he lived in light of our father's love with everyone in every situation.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's how he lived, and he lived free and completely for his father's glory.
Caesar Kalinowski:And it's also the same life that Jesus came to give you.
Caesar Kalinowski:And me and I, we want that for you.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:I want you to believe that it's for freedom that Christ came to set us free.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so.
Caesar Kalinowski:Go hard after Jesus in the new year, would you Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Follow his life?
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, live discipleship meaning following after him and helping people fall after him as a lifestyle.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:Next, in the heart category, I just wanna remind you how much God loves you.
Heath Hollensbe:Hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:Loves you, Heath.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:He, he loves our families.
Caesar Kalinowski:He loves everyone listening here.
Caesar Kalinowski:You never have to do another thing to earn his love and his full affection.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:So regardless of how Missional you are living or how hardcore you're going after discipleship or all of your best laid plans that have fallen away or you got started and failed or whatever, he loves you exactly the same.
Caesar Kalinowski:Mm. But I wanna challenge you be 'cause you, 'cause we're free in Christ and we have this great love.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, going into the new year, pick one small change that you and your family or your Missional Community or small group will make in the new year.
Caesar Kalinowski:One new Missional rhythm or a person or a couple or family that you're gonna pursue.
Caesar Kalinowski:Uh, maybe it's getting serious about moving beyond a weekly meeting, you know?
Caesar Kalinowski:Mm-hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like a Sunday to Sunday thing, or your small group's just kind of like a, a boring thing, like Right.
Caesar Kalinowski:Maybe this will be the year that you'll join, uh, myself and Tina for some coaching to help you really break through.
Caesar Kalinowski:Hmm and move forward.
Caesar Kalinowski:So what's your one thing?
Caesar Kalinowski:Like you get to pick it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Ask the spirit to guide you in that the year where you go, okay, Lord, lead us in this and we're gonna trust you.
Caesar Kalinowski:And we're gonna get after that.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's so good.
Caesar Kalinowski:All right.
Caesar Kalinowski:What's next, Lord?
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Heath Hollensbe:Alright.
Heath Hollensbe:Thank you for those Caesar.
Heath Hollensbe:Hope you enjoy it and happy New Year.
Heath Hollensbe:We'll see you next year.
Heath Hollensbe:Thanks for joining us today.
Heath Hollensbe:For more information on this show and to get loads of free discipleship resources, visit everyday Disciple dot com and remember, you really can live with a spiritual freedom and relational peace that Jesus promised every day.