Preparing Your Community for Healthy Growth and Change
Has your missional community started to feel more like a small group that meets than a family that grows and multiplies? Even strong communities can get stuck in comfortable rhythms if leaders aren’t intentional about growth and sending.
In this episode of the Everyday Disciple Podcast, I’ll help you rethink how to prepare your community for healthy growth and change. Multiplication isn’t a threat to relationships—it’s proof that God’s Spirit is at work. We’ll talk about how to plan for it, communicate it well, and walk your people through the transition with grace and confidence.
Healthy things always grow. That means your group will change, and that’s a good thing. I’ll show you how to lead with both vision and empathy so your community can stay focused on the mission—without losing heart.
In This Episode You’ll Learn:
- How to normalize the idea of growth and multiplication early in your community’s life.
- Ways to prepare your people emotionally and practically for sending and change.
- How to talk about grief and loss in a way that strengthens relationships.
- Why keeping things small, simple, and reproducible helps leaders develop new communities.
From this episode:
“We need to expect growth and multiplication to happen in our communities while letting everyone involved know that this is normal and good. And just like when our children leave home and become adults who start families of their own, there is a grieving process that rightfully occurs when we send “family members” off on mission to start new works.”
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Links and Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
Coaching and Mentorship in Missional Living by Caesar and his wife Tina
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Transcript
Embrace the grief that accompanies sending your friends and your family out on mission mourn change.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's what Mm, true grief is like mourning of change.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so mourn change of growth and don't make things like a divorce where the kids feel horrible having to choose which parent they're gonna now.
Caesar Kalinowski:Go and live with.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:But as the community decide what are our gift mix and what's it gonna be like when we're not doing everything together?
Caesar Kalinowski:Because the, you know, some of the family moved out and multiplied and they're having their own oikos, their own family mission.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:And how will we still get together?
Caesar Kalinowski:And my kids are raised, they're having families of their own.
Caesar Kalinowski:So we have to plan out, well, good luck.
Caesar Kalinowski:That was a killer.
Caesar Kalinowski:20 something years and now I'll never see it.
Caesar Kalinowski:No, no.
Caesar Kalinowski:We're still a family.
Caesar Kalinowski:We're still a family still these stuff.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so we, but we had to embrace that grief and we had to embrace the change that they won't do things exactly the same as us.
Caesar Kalinowski:Mm-hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:And for a while they might push on it and it'll feel like, oh, like what?
Caesar Kalinowski:We sucked or, no, no.
Caesar Kalinowski:They're grown up, they're doing their own thing.
Caesar Kalinowski:And they'll eventually come back around and go like, so how did you do that again, you know?
Caesar Kalinowski:It's so good.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's normal, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:See, notice how everything's just kinda like a family.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:Welcome to the Everyday Disciple Podcast, where you'll learn how to live with greater intentionality and an integrated faith that naturally fits into every area of life.
Heath Hollensbe:In other words, discipleship as a lifestyle.
Heath Hollensbe:This is the stuff your parents, pastors and seminary professors.
Heath Hollensbe:Probably forgot to tell you.
Heath Hollensbe:And now here's your host, Caesar Kalinowski.
Caesar Kalinowski:Thank you, Heath.
Caesar Kalinowski:Good to be with you again.
Caesar Kalinowski:As always, whenever you rip off that opening line there, you know this stuff your parents, teachers, and pastors forgot to tell you.
Caesar Kalinowski:I, I always hear like a sound effect added right there.
Caesar Kalinowski:Boeing.
Caesar Kalinowski:I don't know why we should put that in next.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, it's kinda like they wish they had Boeing, you know, like I love cartoons.
Caesar Kalinowski:I always have.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so like a slide whistle, like boom.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, we were recording the last episode.
Caesar Kalinowski:I was thinking like, man, I almost went Boeing right when you said it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Maybe in upcoming.
Caesar Kalinowski:I'll just sneak that in there and see our listeners hear it and write in.
Caesar Kalinowski:I won't mention it the day we add the Boeing.
Caesar Kalinowski:There you go.
Caesar Kalinowski:But if they hear it right in and say, I heard the Boeing, Hey,
Heath Hollensbe:I, uh, I took what you said on episode 4 22.
Heath Hollensbe:If you haven't heard it.
Heath Hollensbe:Really cool about how to stop sinning and the four Gs and how to stop sinning.
Heath Hollensbe:It sounds so pedantic like.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah, you said I stopped.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's over.
Caesar Kalinowski:I'm never gonna s again.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's so cool.
Caesar Kalinowski:Thank you.
Caesar Kalinowski:And we're
Heath Hollensbe:getting lots of downloads of people who are actually printing out the free poster thing.
Heath Hollensbe:We, we sent out people loving that four Gs.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah, it's been great.
Heath Hollensbe:That
Caesar Kalinowski:was a heavy episode.
Caesar Kalinowski:I know a lot of people are like, Hey, thanks a lot for that.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:But the.
Caesar Kalinowski:Truth is that all led to freedom.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so I loved it.
Caesar Kalinowski:I loved that.
Caesar Kalinowski:And man, oh man.
Caesar Kalinowski:So go back and listen to that.
Caesar Kalinowski:If you wanna know how to stop soon or what's behind it.
Caesar Kalinowski:I mean, give yourself a break.
Caesar Kalinowski:Give others a break.
Caesar Kalinowski:Just it's, yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Big perspective shift.
Heath Hollensbe:Today
Caesar Kalinowski:we're
Heath Hollensbe:making a little bit of a switch and we're talking about how to bring intentionality and multiplication into everything that you do within your Missional Community.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Healthy things grow, so that's where we wanna go.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right.
Caesar Kalinowski:But, um, a lot of people.
Caesar Kalinowski:That I've talked to and you know, I travel around, obviously coaching and training a lot all over the world.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, a lot of people in faith means never sort of, they never multiply 'em, you know, they sort of become this sort of stagnant thing or they slow down or whatever.
Caesar Kalinowski:And part of what's going on is people don't grow up and then sort of move out.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, and I, I kind of use this analogy of like, Hey, raise your kids to move out.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:And you think about it, you know, it sounds kind of funny, but, and I had a post a few years ago on a blog about that, you know, raise your kids to move out.
Caesar Kalinowski:But that's exactly sort of the, the overarching analogy that I wanna use today about when it comes to Missional Community life, incarnation, community, whatever you're calling.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:You wanna raise the kids to move out and we're gonna talk about what that looks like.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, just, yeah, like, just like with your own kids, you wouldn't, Hey, you know, we raised our kids to be like 20 something years old and we still do all their laundry and pay all their bills and uh, yeah, they work, but they just keep all that money for the, you know.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:You'd never do that 'cause you prepare your kids.
Caesar Kalinowski:To get outta here for a day is like probably you're gonna have a household of your own.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Some form and fashion.
Caesar Kalinowski:Probably maybe married with kids and all, but, but you're certainly gonna grow up and, and, uh, it's time to move out.
Heath Hollensbe:You know, you know what I've been hearing a lot lately, even with a conversation, uh, with some friends, um, at launch a couple weeks ago here at the house is talking about.
Heath Hollensbe:How many small groups or, or, or the mentality of small groups and how so many of them are either closed groups or We don't like having new people in here because we all know each other's stories and we're close and we share things.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:Or even like, hey, we're gonna take the whole summer off and try to regroup.
Heath Hollensbe:Or we're taking Christmas off 'cause it's busy.
Heath Hollensbe:And you just mentioned like, raise kids to move out and healthy things keep growing.
Heath Hollensbe:So can you explain for a few minutes like why.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:What are the
Caesar Kalinowski:concerns going on here?
Caesar Kalinowski:Creation level.
Caesar Kalinowski:Healthy things grow and multiply.
Caesar Kalinowski:God sends us out.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Breathes his own breath of life into us and sends us out to be fruitful and multiply.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:Beautiful.
Caesar Kalinowski:Those two words brought together fruitful.
Caesar Kalinowski:Oh goodness.
Caesar Kalinowski:Provides life.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Uh, fruit has seed in it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Re re and it reproduces itself.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right.
Caesar Kalinowski:And multiply.
Caesar Kalinowski:So that's, that's God's creation order, is that we'd be healthy and we would multiply.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so when we look at the church and we see it in decline.
Caesar Kalinowski:It wouldn't be in decline if it was healthy.
Caesar Kalinowski:Healthy things always grow it's creation order.
Caesar Kalinowski:In fact, um, why our bodies science lesson, why our bodies die is, uh, we stop multiplying cells, that reproduction of everything and all that, it slows down at first, that's you start aging and then eventually stops.
Caesar Kalinowski:Certain things don't, they don't replenish and then that fails, that organ fails or whatever it is, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Mm-hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so creation order healthy things always grow and.
Caesar Kalinowski:And there's, there should be multiplication expected because that's how God's created things to be.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right?
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah, absolutely.
Heath Hollensbe:Uh, you were telling me earlier about how your son teaching him to mow the lawn and that sort of stuff, like, uh.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Well there again, back to that major analogy, like raise your kids to grow out.
Caesar Kalinowski:When my son was a, was a kid, you know, he was a boy, he was raised now, sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, I taught him how to mow the lawn and use basic tools and you know, I told him that someday, son, you're gonna be a man with a family of your own and you're gonna need these skills.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I seeded into his heart and his mind an expectation that would, that he would most likely be a father and lead his own family at some point in the future.
Caesar Kalinowski:Hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:And it's the exact same thing with growth and leadership in our Missional communities.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right.
Caesar Kalinowski:We, we need to expect growth and multiplication to happen while letting everyone know involved that that's normal and that's good.
Caesar Kalinowski:Just like when our children leave home and become adults and start their own families, there'll be a grieving process.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like, man, when my kids, they know they're all grown and moved out.
Caesar Kalinowski:I'm so stoked that they're moving out and that they can, and that they're healthy and they love God and people well and all that, but oh my gosh, your heart breaks, right?
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:So
Caesar Kalinowski:there's a natural grieving, but.
Caesar Kalinowski:But a lot of people, and we were asking some folks this last week, Hey, how, how's multiplication gone?
Caesar Kalinowski:Well, we haven't really multiplied our community out.
Caesar Kalinowski:How long's it been together quite a while.
Caesar Kalinowski:Do does everybody in your Missional Community know that your goal would be to multiply this out and send them someday?
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, I think everybody was, feels pretty stoked that they finally found this community.
Caesar Kalinowski:They've always been looking for quote, even though we're sinners and jacked up too and all that, and that's often the case, even in throwing the net, like, Hey, I wanna start a Missional Community.
Caesar Kalinowski:Well, maybe a lot of our listeners to the show today are thinking, yeah, well, we're still trying to get to a Missional Community.
Caesar Kalinowski:Let me just say seed the idea of multiplication and at that expectation.
Caesar Kalinowski:From the get go.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Hey, we want to have a healthy community and we wanna raise the kids to move out, so to speak.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so just know that everything we're gonna be doing is gonna be equipping you and others to go and do the same thing.
Caesar Kalinowski:Because what is a Missional Community?
Caesar Kalinowski:It's God's family on mission.
Caesar Kalinowski:So what does the family do?
Caesar Kalinowski:It produces offspring.
Caesar Kalinowski:It produces kids.
Caesar Kalinowski:It raises health.
Caesar Kalinowski:And they have families.
Caesar Kalinowski:And they have families.
Caesar Kalinowski:Exactly.
Caesar Kalinowski:And that's disciples making disciples.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's right.
Caesar Kalinowski:And as you
Heath Hollensbe:said, man, that's right.
Heath Hollensbe:Everything in God's creation has a seed of multiplication built into it.
Heath Hollensbe:And one of the things, just a side note.
Heath Hollensbe:If you keep saying that your, your Missional Community is gonna split and you're gonna start new ones.
Heath Hollensbe:Tina corrected that this last weekend in beautiful wine.
Heath Hollensbe:I was like, yeah, no, it's not a divorce.
Heath Hollensbe:It's like we're actually multiplying, like Yeah, the family's not splitting.
Heath Hollensbe:I'm not a math expert, but division isn't the same as multiplication.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:So if you, if you keep saying you can't wait till your small group or your Missional Community splits and grows into two more, stop using that word, he's multiply and chances
Caesar Kalinowski:are if it's just a split 'cause it's numerical hassle or something.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:It, it wasn't a multiplication.
Caesar Kalinowski:It didn't take all the DNA with it, it was ready to go.
Caesar Kalinowski:'cause it had all been built in and trained and reproduced.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:So
Heath Hollensbe:unpack a little bit this, this multiplication that we see in the story of the Bible.
Heath Hollensbe:There's an arc running there.
Heath Hollensbe:Would you talk about that for a few minutes?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Well, like I said, right at the beginning, um, God bless Adam in the Eve and then sent them to be fruitful and multiply, fill the earth.
Caesar Kalinowski:With what himself?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Glory.
Caesar Kalinowski:His glory.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:What's the goal of a Missional Community?
Caesar Kalinowski:Or, or the church.
Caesar Kalinowski:Let's just go up meta
Heath Hollensbe:the earth with what
Caesar Kalinowski:God
Heath Hollensbe:is like.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, exactly.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's why it's not to throw killer services and, you know, all that kind of stuff.
Caesar Kalinowski:Or be nice or, you know, alleviate this or that.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's, no, it's ultimately to be fruitful.
Caesar Kalinowski:Multiply his glory, his image.
Caesar Kalinowski:Now here's another example, uh, after the flood, as God restarted all of humanity through Noah and his family.
Caesar Kalinowski:What, what's it say right after you come off the, the boat and he's sacrificing to God.
Caesar Kalinowski:God says, now be fruitful and multiply and increase the number of people exponentially all over the earth again.
Heath Hollensbe:Hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, when God changed Jacob's name to Israel and confirmed his calling, reaffirming his covenant to Abraham and his people, God said, I am God almighty.
Caesar Kalinowski:Be fruitful and multiply.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right.
Caesar Kalinowski:And, uh, I, I'll just say, and that just leads right up to this amazing correlation between Jesus command to.
Caesar Kalinowski:Go and make disciples.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's the same thing as God's command.
Caesar Kalinowski:Be fruitful and multiply.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And here's another cool little dime drop, right is in the beginning, God creates the first.
Caesar Kalinowski:Human from the dust of the ground using his own hands, and he breathed his breath into them, giving them life.
Caesar Kalinowski:That word, breath, ruach, ruah.
Caesar Kalinowski:I'm not, not Mr. Hebrew.
Caesar Kalinowski:Pronunciation here, um, means spirit, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:Breath life.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's the same like root there.
Caesar Kalinowski:So guess what?
Caesar Kalinowski:When Jesus sends out the disciples to go and make disciples.
Caesar Kalinowski:Who make disciples.
Caesar Kalinowski:He says, now go do that.
Caesar Kalinowski:And he says, as I've been sent, so I send you, receive the spirit.
Caesar Kalinowski:And he breathed on them.
Caesar Kalinowski:Same word.
Caesar Kalinowski:Ah.
Caesar Kalinowski:So it's a whole restarting of it.
Caesar Kalinowski:So it's really plan A is that God was gonna fill the earth with himself.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And he is gonna do it through his people.
Caesar Kalinowski:And that's why we have to expect that God, God won't be full.
Caesar Kalinowski:So if we're not multiplying, uh, there's reasons behind it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:There's non-health.
Caesar Kalinowski:We didn't expect it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, we didn't even build it to multiply.
Caesar Kalinowski:We thought we were just gonna create this Cool.
Caesar Kalinowski:Christian culture subculture for ourselves where we all kind of hung out and loved each other and, and just beat the pants off each other in our fantasy football leagues over, you know, or whatever there is.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:But, um, what I, so first point here is like seed this idea of multiplication into everything and let the people know our goal is health and vibrancy and healthy things will grow and we're gonna send you off to have a family of your own.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:On God's mission.
Heath Hollensbe:I feel like if I was Jesus' script writer, I would've just put in a witty, like I would've changed it.
Heath Hollensbe:Go make disciples into be fruitful and multiply disciples.
Heath Hollensbe:Tying it back to the original place.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:Be fruitful and multiply disciples stuff.
Heath Hollensbe:Thank you.
Heath Hollensbe:I think we interpreted it like, uh, be busy and get people to come to a building and you like, sign up for a nine week program or something.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah, no, go make disciples.
Heath Hollensbe:Like, get outta here.
Caesar Kalinowski:Go
Heath Hollensbe:make, it's,
Caesar Kalinowski:it's really, it's just, that's that same creation order finding its arc. Throughout people.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:So
Heath Hollensbe:the correlation between Jesus command to go and make disciples and God's command to be fruitful and multiply is actually amazing.
Heath Hollensbe:It's bridged, you know, Jesus doing what his father said and exactly consuming on the story.
Heath Hollensbe:It's
Caesar Kalinowski:all part of that creation order again.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so, yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:So
Caesar Kalinowski:when it comes to
Heath Hollensbe:discipleship, uh, there has to be an intentionality because multiplication doesn't just happen accidentally.
Heath Hollensbe:Um, how should we structure things?
Heath Hollensbe:Like if you were giving me tips on how to structure a multiplication or a Missional Community that's, uh, set up for multiplication in the long run, what tips would you coach me in as far as how to, how to structure things?
Caesar Kalinowski:Well, it's part of why we're going through launch, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:For the next, you know, yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:18 months.
Caesar Kalinowski:There's a lot of stuff, but let me, let me break it down into a few things.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, there again, I've already said, um, plan for it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Expect it seed that idea in everybody's mind.
Caesar Kalinowski:That they know, Hey, there's a day coming, mom and dad are gonna send us out.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:Have
Caesar Kalinowski:families of own, but to, to get to that.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, I wanna say that the life of your community, you need to keep it intentionally simple.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:Keep it intentionally simple.
Caesar Kalinowski:That doesn't mean like a weekly meeting.
Caesar Kalinowski:I'm not saying that a family on mission does all kinds of stuff together, but it shouldn't be real expensive.
Caesar Kalinowski:It shouldn't be, um, super elaborate where it's like, oh man, only people with.
Caesar Kalinowski:Her skills are only people with his skills could ever lead a Missional Community like this.
Caesar Kalinowski:Hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:And see what happens is if you don't keep it simple and it feels real complicated and you're like the guy behind the curtain on Wizard of Oz just pulling levers and making noise and people don't know how you're doing what you're doing, then they're gonna fear that.
Caesar Kalinowski:Hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so when you talk about, Hey, I, I'm really see you as leaders and I wanna, I. Lean in further into multiplication with you, and they're thinking, oh, this is way complicated.
Caesar Kalinowski:I don't have time.
Caesar Kalinowski:I don't know what I'm doing.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's just like a mystery.
Caesar Kalinowski:What you hide.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's a nebulous.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right.
Caesar Kalinowski:So keep things intentionally simple.
Caesar Kalinowski:Hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know?
Caesar Kalinowski:So, you know, like think about the meals you that you have together.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, is it a fricking big deal?
Caesar Kalinowski:Is it a elaborate, crazy thing?
Caesar Kalinowski:You don't want junk either.
Caesar Kalinowski:Daughters Sons of the king.
Caesar Kalinowski:I have a blast.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right.
Caesar Kalinowski:Be generous with people, but keep it simple.
Caesar Kalinowski:Hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:It shouldn't be this like a guy.
Caesar Kalinowski:I hate when the community's over 'cause it takes me four days to clean up or, right.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's a point.
Caesar Kalinowski:Keep it simple.
Caesar Kalinowski:When you're out serving together, keep it simple that it shouldn't, it shouldn't require, unless God's called you to some amazing program, it shouldn't require, you know, 16 weeks of organization and you know.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's set up and all that.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right.
Caesar Kalinowski:Uh, this is a rhythm of life and that we live in.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's a lifestyle of discipleship and mission, and so keep things intentionally simple.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's great.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I'd add to that, um, really lift the veil on what you're doing and why with everything.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like for people to, to learn what you're doing and be able to reproduce what you're doing.
Caesar Kalinowski:Think about it with your own kids, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:You, you don't hide it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like, like I'm gonna go a real simple analogy.
Caesar Kalinowski:Everybody teaches their kids to tie their shoes.
Caesar Kalinowski:Why?
Caesar Kalinowski:Well, 'cause they're gonna have to learn, they're gonna have to tie their shoes their whole life.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:Do you teach your kids to tie your, their shoes by?
Caesar Kalinowski:Like, tell 'em to turn their head, putting their shoe on for 'em and then tying it in this elaborate bow.
Caesar Kalinowski:Really, this is a tricky little thing,
Heath Hollensbe:you know?
Caesar Kalinowski:Or do you like over and over and over?
Caesar Kalinowski:Help 'em figure out how to like, pull up your sock, pull your shoe on this way.
Caesar Kalinowski:Go grab the tongue your, your foot's on, you know?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:And then here's how we make the two bunny ears.
Caesar Kalinowski:Or if you do it the other way, you know, pull the loop, whatever you do.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:And how many times does it take showing a kid usually to do that?
Caesar Kalinowski:A ton.
Caesar Kalinowski:A ton.
Caesar Kalinowski:A zillion, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, tons.
Caesar Kalinowski:But like, so of course you have to, but I'll tell you what, so often in community life, in Michel community life, we kinda love to act like, maybe not even intentionally, I don't wanna put anything on anybody's heart, but we act like Yoda.
Caesar Kalinowski:Jesus.
Caesar Kalinowski:Ah, man.
Caesar Kalinowski:That heath guy, he just, he rocks this stuff.
Caesar Kalinowski:The questions he asks.
Caesar Kalinowski:And yeah, you come over to the house is beautiful and he's always got like all this stuff for us to learn.
Caesar Kalinowski:And then, you know, we went out and served and, uh, he had it all set up and like trucks full of gear and stuff and you know, and then like we all, we all got to go home.
Caesar Kalinowski:And he's like, I'll take care of all this.
Caesar Kalinowski:And it's like, you're kinda like Yoda, I don't how you do it.
Caesar Kalinowski:You're so good.
Caesar Kalinowski:And like you're Yoda Jesus.
Caesar Kalinowski:You're not making disciples though.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Don't, you know, keep it simple and always lift the veil.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like let everybody see what exactly you're doing.
Caesar Kalinowski:You think about Jesus comes king of king Lord of lords created the universe.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:The word he is the word.
Caesar Kalinowski:Without him, nothing existed, ever existed or will exist.
Caesar Kalinowski:He comes to earth, human puts on the robe.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:Scratchy beard sandals.
Caesar Kalinowski:And every single thing he did, he did out in the open and he explained it and he showed him.
Caesar Kalinowski:And he did it for years together.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Intentionally.
Caesar Kalinowski:Simple.
Caesar Kalinowski:By the way, think about how simple what Jesus did with his disciples was no buildings needed, no giant sums of money required.
Caesar Kalinowski:No.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like holy cow, staging, lighting, you know, like just.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like life.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:And he lifted the veil a lot too.
Heath Hollensbe:Like you said, he'd do it, he'd do a miracle and he'd get away with a couple of the guys and go, Hey, here's what you just saw.
Heath Hollensbe:Here's, here's what you saw.
Heath Hollensbe:Why?
Heath Hollensbe:And here's this.
Heath Hollensbe:This is, and you've done that with me too in my discipleship, even leading like we do this cigars and theology thing.
Heath Hollensbe:And as I've started to lead some of these, you're really helpful at going like, Hey, so why don't you create the questions and I'll create 'em.
Heath Hollensbe:And you go, okay, but why don't we start with question one and why don't you.
Heath Hollensbe:You know what I try to do here is I try to ask this question 'cause I want this response and then I'm able to, you don't tell me these are the questions you're gonna ask, but you kind of work through that.
Heath Hollensbe:Or hey, when you're having a Missional Community, like I'm raising you to move out and start, you are cigar and the of your one, well then you're, and you know, when, when we have Missional Community, it's like, hey.
Heath Hollensbe:Let's turn on our porch light and open our windows and leave the door open.
Heath Hollensbe:Why?
Heath Hollensbe:Because it shows people we want 'em in our house.
Heath Hollensbe:It's not closed up in light.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:So just even little things like that.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:That, that you're building those seeds of multiplication into it.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:So, uh, so intentionally simple.
Heath Hollensbe:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, reproducible.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:There's, it has to be reproducible, meaning, um, well, that's unique.
Caesar Kalinowski:No one else could do that except this couple.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Uh, here's, here's reproducible.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like if you do something that requires.
Caesar Kalinowski:A hot tub, a giant yard, you know, all kinds of crazy gear and a certain type of house.
Caesar Kalinowski:Well, unless everybody has that
Heath Hollensbe:not
Caesar Kalinowski:happening.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right.
Caesar Kalinowski:I I, I love the fact that like when we first moved to Tacoma and we were starting up Michel communities, our first Missional Community took place in a little dinky, it was really like almost, what do they call us?
Caesar Kalinowski:Apartments that aren't apartments.
Caesar Kalinowski:They're just one room.
Caesar Kalinowski:Studio Studio, it was really almost a studio, but it did have a bedroom, but it was like a studio and you went in the bedroom and like literally opened the door and you just bang your knee into the edge of the bed.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know it's like that, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And the kitchen is like the size of the counter.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's like a motor home.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so, you know, 17, 18, 20, 25 people jammed in there week after every event and games and movie night.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I mean, we just did it all in there.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so there no one could ever say like, well.
Caesar Kalinowski:And you know, like now where we're doing launch here and we're doing training with a lot of people.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure, yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Our house is larger than we used to have.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right?
Caesar Kalinowski:But it doesn't require that.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so make sure everything you do is reproducible.
Caesar Kalinowski:So there again, if you're out doing a serving project, like, holy cow, where did you get the two forklifts?
Caesar Kalinowski:And uh, you know, the front end loader.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like, well, it's so much quicker with this.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I borrow 'em from a guy that I know.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's like, well, well great, but like, there's a parking in my neighborhood.
Caesar Kalinowski:I can't, could I loan those?
Caesar Kalinowski:Nah, this is one time, you know, so make, make what you do simple.
Caesar Kalinowski:Uh, intentionally simple and make it reproducible.
Caesar Kalinowski:So think about even the simplicity of, um.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like the meals that, that you have together as a family?
Heath Hollensbe:Hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:My wife's a chef.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right.
Caesar Kalinowski:Tina can rock an amazing chef.
Caesar Kalinowski:She can rock the food.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:She does these eight course with pairings meals for eight people that it's mind blowing.
Caesar Kalinowski:She usually does 'em as fundraisers, but sometimes we just do 'em in community.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And usually, usually bring, you know, our people a piece in and they like literally.
Caesar Kalinowski:We have people weeping at the end, but we're careful because if, if we're trying to train them, like this is what life in the kingdom looks like, well that's a blessing.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's like bait's feast, you know?
Caesar Kalinowski:But, but if that was like every Michel community PE people would be like, uh, there's no way I'm gonna have people over my home.
Caesar Kalinowski:I could never pull it off eight courses.
Caesar Kalinowski:Paired.
Caesar Kalinowski:I can't afford it.
Caesar Kalinowski:A sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, and I don't even have enough dishes, you know, blah, blah, blah.
Caesar Kalinowski:But when we're doing community, think about like our family nights.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Mish, uh, cigar theology.
Caesar Kalinowski:What does teen always have on the stove?
Caesar Kalinowski:And she's not even around dinner.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's like a soup.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Soup.
Caesar Kalinowski:Soup and some bread or bold chili.
Caesar Kalinowski:There's, yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Pot spaghetti.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's nothing.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's the simplest of things.
Caesar Kalinowski:And that's very intentional.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, it's very intentional.
Caesar Kalinowski:So it's amazing.
Caesar Kalinowski:Uh, make it reproducible.
Caesar Kalinowski:Anything you do, your teaching, your hang time.
Caesar Kalinowski:What you do with the kids in the community, all that, and then make it scalable.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:Scalable is that it can reproduce.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:I
Heath Hollensbe:learned that from Shark Tank recently.
Heath Hollensbe:Like, you know, you just, yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:Healthy things grow, right?
Heath Hollensbe:Like how do you do this?
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:In theology, we can do that anywhere.
Heath Hollensbe:We can have other people learning how to do it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:So is some, there's, there's some ways something can be scalable.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, this is the worst kind of scalable, well, let's just jam more people in here and you keep leading it.
Caesar Kalinowski:But if, if the other two follow suit, like it's simple and it is actually reproducible, how do you scale?
Caesar Kalinowski:Well now you're doing cigar and theology across the bridge.
Caesar Kalinowski:I'm doing it here.
Caesar Kalinowski:A couple other guys are doing it.
Caesar Kalinowski:And now lots of people are being blessed.
Caesar Kalinowski:Now can we get everybody together once in a while and do like the, you know, the super smoke or whatever and like really go for something?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:We get to or we, Hey, we decided all the guys in all of our different cigar theologies, we're all gonna be camping and we're gonna have a huge, we got this one topic we really wanna get after.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, go for it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, I can remember years ago, um, and we still do these things, but I can remember years ago when we're doing, we called Breakfast Club, where we're doing a weekend Saturday or Sunday morning brunch.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's an open house brunch.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's like anytime between 10 and like one just stop on in and you're inviting all your people to peace and lost friends and even, even believers and all.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:And uh, Tina would do it very simple.
Caesar Kalinowski:It'd be like, so you know what's on the menu from like 10 to one?
Caesar Kalinowski:She just made up a huge thing of the cheapest pancake batter.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:And we stuck a whole bunch of bacon in, on a pan in the, in the oven.
Caesar Kalinowski:'cause that's the simplest way to do it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Bake it and then like, and be said, well what can we bring?
Caesar Kalinowski:It's like, yeah, bring orange juice.
Caesar Kalinowski:If you wanna bring a fruit salad.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's it.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's super simple.
Caesar Kalinowski:Huh?
Caesar Kalinowski:Maybe a person say, Hey, can I get an egg?
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, but it wasn't like, oh my God.
Caesar Kalinowski:Look at the spread.
Caesar Kalinowski:Spread.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And every week you might do it differently, but, but then here's, here's the scalable part.
Caesar Kalinowski:People loved it so much.
Caesar Kalinowski:I remember one weekend there was 17 different breakfast clubs going on around Tacoma.
Heath Hollensbe:No way.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's so cool.
Caesar Kalinowski:17. I mean, we did a lot of 'em, but I remember that was like the height.
Caesar Kalinowski:One week we had 17 going on in different houses, different neighborhoods all over, and they were all doing it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Super duper simple.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And that's scalable, you know, mean well, and then
Heath Hollensbe:you think get 10 or 15 to each one of, I mean, this is the gospel going out to hundreds of people.
Heath Hollensbe:Oh, it's, it's a beautiful thing.
Caesar Kalinowski:But see that, that took some intentional, some intentionality to keep it simple and reproducible so that it could scale.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Doesn't require a certain house, not a certain skill, not a certain anything.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's it, it is scalable.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, the way we learn is scalable.
Caesar Kalinowski:The way we teach, the way we correct the way we are with our kids, it's all scalable.
Caesar Kalinowski:So yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:There you go.
Caesar Kalinowski:So intentionally, simple, reproducible, scalable, are, and that's after remember expecting it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Let everybody know, Hey, our goal is to raise the kids to move on.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like we're gonna, we're we're, we're gonna do everything very intentionally, just like we had that talk with launch.
Caesar Kalinowski:So listen, everything we do this weekend during the training.
Caesar Kalinowski:Very intentional.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Look how simple it all was though, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:Did I have any projectors going or like crazy sounds?
Caesar Kalinowski:Nothing.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, like nothing.
Caesar Kalinowski:So yeah, like that was the point.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I told everybody, listen, pay attention the way Tina sets up a buffet.
Caesar Kalinowski:The way we talk about certain things, the way we take breaks, the fact that we're moving around in different spaces to open up our head and we're inside, we're out, we're up, we're down.
Caesar Kalinowski:All that.
Caesar Kalinowski:Everything was intentional.
Caesar Kalinowski:And what did I say?
Caesar Kalinowski:Why?
Caesar Kalinowski:Because you're gonna reproduce all of this in your context when you get home.
Caesar Kalinowski:And we didn't do anything that, that people couldn't repo Monday when they get home.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep, absolutely.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right.
Caesar Kalinowski:And we were talking today, you were saying, man, a lot of that stuff's already changing the way I'm looking at things.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And like the pressure's off.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:It's already taken root.
Heath Hollensbe:Yeah, absolutely.
Heath Hollensbe:Well, let's jump to, uh, the big three, um, for this upcoming week because, uh, big three.
Heath Hollensbe:The big three, yeah.
Heath Hollensbe:The three takeaways we want people to leave with.
Heath Hollensbe:Something I can just jot down or pull over right now and write down if they want to.
Heath Hollensbe:But if not, we're gonna give it to you for free by going to the website.
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Heath Hollensbe:Caesar, what would be the big three takeaways for
Caesar Kalinowski:this week?
Caesar Kalinowski:Alright, big three.
Caesar Kalinowski:Expect growth to happen while letting everyone know that it's normal and good.
Caesar Kalinowski:Talk about it early on.
Caesar Kalinowski:Multiplication's a natural, uh, you know, thing, and it's part of the goal to accomplishing God's mission.
Caesar Kalinowski:Which is to fill the world with him, his glory.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay, so expect growth to happen.
Caesar Kalinowski:A lot of people just think, oh, it'd be the most amazing thing if it ever did.
Caesar Kalinowski:I'm like, oh, that's your God.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's, that's how he built the world.
Caesar Kalinowski:It will, I think what you said even at the beginning is like,
Heath Hollensbe:you know,
Caesar Kalinowski:understand there's grief though there as well.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like when you actually, so that's the second thing.
Caesar Kalinowski:Embrace the grief.
Caesar Kalinowski:That accompanies sending your friends and your family out on mission mourn change.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's what true grief is like mourning of change.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so mourn change of growth and don't make things like a divorce where the kids feel horrible having to choose which parent they're gonna now go and live with.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:But as the community decide, what are our gift mix?
Caesar Kalinowski:What's it gonna be like when we're not doing everything together?
Caesar Kalinowski:Because the, you know, some of the family moved out and multiplied and they're having their own oikos, their own family mission.
Caesar Kalinowski:Sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:And how will we still get together?
Caesar Kalinowski:My kids are raised, they're having families of their own, so we have to plan out, well, good luck.
Caesar Kalinowski:That was a killer.
Caesar Kalinowski:20 something years and now I'll never see.
Caesar Kalinowski:No, no.
Caesar Kalinowski:We're still a family.
Caesar Kalinowski:We're still a family still these stuff.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so we, but we had to embrace that grief and we had to embrace the change that they won't do things exactly the same as us.
Caesar Kalinowski:Mm-hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:And for a while they might push on it and it'll feel like, oh, like what?
Caesar Kalinowski:We sucked or, no, no.
Caesar Kalinowski:They're growing up, they're doing their own thing.
Caesar Kalinowski:And they'll eventually come back around and go like, so how did you do that again?
Caesar Kalinowski:You know?
Caesar Kalinowski:Great.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's so good.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's normal.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right?
Caesar Kalinowski:So notice how everything's just kinda like a family.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Third of the big three.
Caesar Kalinowski:Remember small is big and slow is fast.
Caesar Kalinowski:I heard a book called that once.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, that'd be super cool.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, wink.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, so keep things intentionally simple.
Caesar Kalinowski:New leaders and disciples can reproduce and communicate small bits of natural community life in the gospel if you break it down and keep it simple.
Caesar Kalinowski:So help them to reproduce more and more of life and rhythm in the community over time and in the kingdom over time.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:Part of how you do this is you make room for them to lead and also pass on what they're learning with others who are newer to the community.
Caesar Kalinowski:So part of how use, part of how you, uh, keep things small, but you know, moving fast actually is, hey, ah, I've been doing this for a while and now I'm gonna ask you to do this for a while.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like you were using the example with cigar theology.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I'm gonna watch that.
Caesar Kalinowski:So it's not all on me.
Caesar Kalinowski:But I'm watching you help newer people kind of get assimilated into the family and all that, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:So you're making room for others to lead, um, as, as they start spread their wings a little bit and try it out.
Caesar Kalinowski:So be sure to give them constant feedback and encouragement on how they're doing and how they can improve.
Caesar Kalinowski:And that's, you know, so next time you're gonna do this, and I'm not saying a word, you're gonna just man it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Or like, I remember we had people who wanted to learn how Tina, gosh, you're such a crazy host.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's amazing.
Caesar Kalinowski:It seems so effortless with you.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um.
Caesar Kalinowski:Well, great.
Caesar Kalinowski:Tell you what, why don't you host next week, but at our house?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And uh, Tina will just watch and hang and she'll give you some feedback and she'll be there for anything you need.
Caesar Kalinowski:'cause she's a servant.
Caesar Kalinowski:But you'll, you'll handle it all.
Caesar Kalinowski:You'll like, what are we eating?
Caesar Kalinowski:Who's bringing what?
Caesar Kalinowski:Well, you, you manage all that.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:And now that's not all we do, but that's always a good example 'cause the meal time.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And when you
Heath Hollensbe:give people ownership,
Caesar Kalinowski:man,
Heath Hollensbe:they latch onto that.
Heath Hollensbe:Exactly.
Heath Hollensbe:Thanks for those, those are the big three for this week.
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Heath Hollensbe:I'm bummed that this week's over so fast, but next week we're actually talking about the seven pillars of culture.
Heath Hollensbe:So what it looks like, how easily it is change, broken up cities and up.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Amazing stuff, right?
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Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
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