Multiplying Your Missional Community
Moving a missional community toward multiplication is a lot like preparing your kids to move out of the house and start a life with families of their own. Done well, it takes a great level of intentionality on the leaders’ parts and does not happen accidentally.
In this episode, Caesar walks you through a recent planning session he did with church leaders as they prepare for the multiplication of their groups and the starting of a new missional community at the same time.
In This Episode You’ll Learn:
- The best time to start preparing your community for multiplication.
- Necessary steps to get your people on board for growth.
- Why every leader needs an apprentice.
- How the Gospel implicates us toward multiplication.
From this episode:
“The right time to start the preparation to multiply your missional community is when you’re first starting it! A missional community is not a “holy huddle”, renamed small group or Bible study. Your goal is to live increasingly like a family, together on mission. Let your folks know that healthy things always grow and we are trusting God for growth and multiplication, right from the start.”
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Transcript
The fear that often comes from group growth and community multiplication finds its roots in a false or really small understanding of the gospel.
Caesar:The church that's us, that's people and therefore our extended families on mission.
Caesar:That's what a Missional Community is.
Caesar:We exist for the sake of others to God's glory.
Caesar:We've been sent out with God's own holy spirit to be fruitful and multiply.
Caesar:That's exactly what Jesus said when he sent us on the only mission we have go and make disciples all over the world.
Caesar:That closeness and openness, you may feel today with those currently in your group has come from trusting yourself with others, but it's the work of the gospel that has worked through your fears and the need to hide your real self.
Caesar:You can trust God and your ongoing redemption with new brothers and sisters.
Announcer:Welcome to the Everyday Disciple podcast where you learn how to live with greater intentionality and an integrated faith that naturally fits into every area of life.
Announcer:In other words, discipleship as a lifestyle, this is the stuff your parents, pastors in seminary professors.
Announcer:Probably forgot to tell you.
Announcer:And now here's your host Caesar Kalinowski
Caesar:Hey family.
Caesar:How you doing today?
Caesar:Hope it's a great day.
Caesar:Hope it's a good week.
Caesar:So far, Tina and I just got back from an amazing week of training and dreaming and planning for the future with our friends in Maryville, Missouri.
Caesar:C3 church and the full Terry tribe there.
Caesar:Shout out to the black pony brew pub and eatery in town.
Caesar:So, awesome.
Caesar:Thanks for the new swag, loving it.
Caesar:You're going to hear more about what we did and worked on here in a minute.
Caesar:Coming up.
Caesar:But how are you doing with, uh, being ready for Thanksgiving?
Caesar:Are you hearing this maybe before Thanksgiving or on Thanksgiving or did you, did I miss you already?
Caesar:I was listening to Tina and our daughter, Christin planning out our team K menu and who's all coming to join the family this year.
Caesar:And I am excited, nothing like a list of the people you love the most and all the food and beverages you love the most coming together.
Caesar:So happy Thanksgiving to you.
Caesar:We all have so much to be thankful and grateful for.
Caesar:We've been blessed to be a blessing.
Caesar:Think about all the things we have.
Caesar:If you're listening to this, you're probably in the top two or 5% of wealth and prosperity and choice in the world.
Caesar:Oh, I hope we see that and live and treat others with the same generosity that we've received from our heavenly dad.
Caesar:Now before we get started, I've just been thinking lately.
Caesar:I wanted to remind you that the best resources I know for leading missional communities and making disciples and helping transition groups from small groups to missional communities, helping people develop their gospel fluency.
Caesar:All of that can be found at Missio Publishing.
Caesar:There's the gospel primer there and the tangible kingdom primer, justice primer, but a whole bunch of other tools and resources as well.
Caesar:That's where my books live.
Caesar:And I invite you to check that out.
Caesar:Maybe you have in the past, but you haven't thought about it in a while, or you're looking for what's that new thing we're going to do to equip our people.
Caesar:Pass the holidays soon and all.
Caesar:So please check out Missio publishing, easy to find them there@missiopublishing.com, M I S S I O.
Caesar:Missio publishing.com.
Caesar:All kinds of cool stuff there.
Caesar:I hope you will.
Caesar:Now, today, we're going to talk about multiplying new Missional communities.
Caesar:And moving a Missional Community toward multiplication is a lot like preparing your kids to move out of the house and start a life in families of their own and done.
Caesar:Well, it takes a great level of intentionality on our part.
Caesar:And in this case with community on the leaders parts, and it doesn't happen accidentally.
Caesar:There's training, equipping, resourcing, and preparations that need to happen.
Caesar:Many conversations to be had.
Caesar:So the family is ready, understands what's going on and why we're changing things and sending some of our brothers and sisters out on mission.
Caesar:There are going to be new rhythms for some of the folks as you send them off, they're gonna be new relationships formed for some, it'll be an expansion of responsibilities as they began to take on more leadership of others.
Caesar:And if not done well, or if just done as a we're splitting our group, because it's just too big kind of thing, then it sounds, and can feel like a negative thing to people instead of the most natural and healthy thing that can happen in a community.
Caesar:Healthy things grow and good leadership prepares for and makes a way for that growth in reality, the right time to start the preparation to multiply your Missional Community is when you're first starting it, let everyone know that it's our hope and plan to multiply and extend the gospel and community and family life.
Caesar:Let everybody know that right from the start.
Caesar:Now I want you to listen to me, walk through a little of how we did this together.
Caesar:Last week was myself with Nick and Danny, two of the leaders at C3.
Caesar:I just mentioned that Tina and I spent a week with this community and we did a lot of different things, but one very important thing was we worked on the multiplication and the starting of new missional communities there.
Caesar:So listening as we unpack a bit of the process we went through and the steps there now.
Caesar:As they prepare for this multiplication of their groups.
Caesar:And like I said, the starting of a new Missional Community at the same time.
Caesar:Okay, boys.
Caesar:How awesome is this to get to do this together?
Caesar:Are you crazy excited to be on the Everyday Disciple podcast?
Nick:Very excited.
Nick:Very excited.
Danny:Yeah.
Caesar:I know you're long-term listeners and we've been obviously getting to know each other for years now and coaching and doing that stuff.
Caesar:But what a, what an amazing week it's been for Tina and I to be on the ground with you guys.
Caesar:And we're going on through all kinds of stuff, but today we're going to be talking, like I said, in the intro here, a little specifically about multiplication and the growth of groups and all those kinds of things to set the context a little bit more for the listeners, for the folks here in the family.
Caesar:Tell us a bit about your church, about C3, the church, you guys help lead, give us the context and where you're at and what that's like, but also a little about your lives and your roles specifically, just so people know, you know, what you're up to and the challenges you face.
Caesar:And I'll bet some of the folks that are going to say, Hey, that's a little bit like me, or we've got those people in our community too.
Caesar:Now Nick, give us a little context for C3.
Caesar:Tell us about the church, how long you've been there, the context you didn't plant that right.
Caesar:You came in as part of the team.
Caesar:Yeah.
Nick:C3 is located in Maryville, Missouri, which.
Nick:A couple of hours, north of Kansas city, a semi-rural town, a college town, a place where a lot of families and, and C3 reflects that pretty well.
Nick:A lot of young families, yada, a lot of really variation in the ages and stages of life fit at countryside.
Nick:Sorry at countryside C3, we use both terms interchangeable it's countryside Christian church.
Nick:And I understand some people prefer it more longer version and not the shorthand version.
Nick:Yeah, for sure.
Nick:We're trying to train ourselves to use C3 a little bit more often, but anyway, I'm 42 years old.
Nick:I've been married for 20 years.
Nick:My wife, Barbara, as a number one asset in ministry, she helps me with start to finish everything in ministry.
Nick:She's the organizational piece that sometimes I lack, but where we're leading.
Nick:Kind of through a transition phase.
Nick:We're trying to transition from very traditional.
Nick:Uh, form of church, uh, that, that got us to where we are and moving into, looking into what's next into what, what God has in store for countryside, for the church, for the community of Maryville.
Nick:So where we're transitioning, we have five kids all the while from ages 18, all the way down to four years old.
Nick:And it's a blast to see what God's been doing, even in that and through that.
Nick:So that's kind of our context in Maryville.
Caesar:So Danny, tell me a little about yourself brother..
Danny:I run the youth program at, at C3.
Danny:And we've been trying to kind of build more of a Missional focus youth program and have the have been, trying to have Caesar help us guide that 27 year old single man living in a small town.
Danny:So that has its challenges.
Caesar:And I'm going to say being the first time that we've gotten to visit with, other than just you guys, we've seen you guys and been able to hang out in person, but getting hanging out with the community, a huge asset you guys have.
Caesar:And we talked about this is there's a lot of grace.
Caesar:There's a really cool spirit about the whole thing.
Caesar:A lot of people aren't exactly a hundred percent sure where it's all going just yet, but.
Caesar:They're not downtrodden.
Caesar:They're not beaten down.
Caesar:And even where maybe some of the tradition and legalisms might tend to throw a little bit of a weight, you know, an anchor behind things there, but there's still, there's a real sense of grace and that's, that's really important.
Caesar:And I'm really encouraged by that as much.
Caesar:Now you talked a little bit about how important the Sunday service thing still is.
Caesar:What, what can you tell us about what is the current state of group life like right now in your community?
Nick:Yeah, we.
Nick:I had a semi push for pretty traditional small group forms.
Nick:And, and in doing that, trying to then transfer or shift the mindset into more of a mission focused group, uh, Missional Community, if you will.
Nick:And, and so we've got probably 15 to 20% assimilation into that in a pretty, pretty, um, Noticeable way.
Nick:Uh, it's not, it's not just happening by accident and it's, it's starting that, that, that place where it's starting to transition more than just those small groups that are actively functioning.
Nick:Um, but, but the state of small groups is still one foot kind of looking into the past and one foot leaning toward the future.
Nick:And so we feel that tension in a lot of ways with our group life.
Caesar:Danny.
Caesar:What about, yeah.
Caesar:With the youth in their involvement and plus you're also just a brother in the community, so you're involved in the community besides your role, but, you know, how's, what's your perspective on that?
Danny:yea man, lot of the small groups that I've led in the past Maryville is kind of a unique town that it's very based on the college.
Danny:And so.
Danny:With that, there comes a lot of students that if I'm asked to lead a college group, the investment there only lasts for two to three years.
Danny:And so you have a big transition of students coming in and getting really invested.
Danny:Yeah.
Danny:But then shipping off.
Danny:And so the small groups that I've led in the past, or have been a part of, have always been.
Danny:Okay.
Danny:You're here for a couple of years now, we're going to send you off and it's like, start from ground zero
Danny:again, with those students
Caesar:doing college ministry and even like military ministry feels that.
Danny:Absolutely.
Danny:Yeah.
Danny:With youth group aspect, um, I walked into a youth group that was very traditionally based and very, this is what you come, the old pizza and pop method of get the kids to do, get the kids here.
Danny:Pizza and soda and leave him on a sugar, sugar high,
Danny:but a little message, a little application at the end.
Danny:But my vision with the youth over these past few years is to not necessarily make it that, to make it something worth going to.
Danny:And with that, I've noticed.
Danny:That the kids who desire to be a part of that, to be a part of something a little bit deeper than just a Wednesday night, where they come to have fun, the kids that want to be a part of that will be there.
Danny:And the kids that don't necessarily want that, or haven't gotten to the place to where they're ready for that yet we'll go elsewhere.
Danny:And that's been a little bit hard on me to see at certain times, just kids that I've really invested into and, and love.
Danny:Go somewhere else, but I got to trust that God's going to still work through them
Caesar:and what Danny's meaning by go somewhere else is that as they go a little bit deeper and more family rhythms, and they're starting to even bring a lot of gospel fluency types of learning and training at age appropriateness and all that.
Caesar:But into that, like you said, some of the kids just go, nah, I really do want the pizza mountain dew kind of ministry and church cross towns doing a big old sports night.
Caesar:And so I'm just going to go there.
Caesar:But the kids who.
Caesar:I do want that and grow that they do embrace that and embrace it.
Caesar:Not just one night a week, but increasingly throughout the week as a family.
Caesar:Now that notice how that mirrors adult life as well.
Caesar:I know some of you are thinking, well, that sounds like all the adults in my community.
Caesar:It's not that different really.
Caesar:It's not that different, just that the rhythms of their life are.
Caesar:So where are you guys hoping?
Caesar:That this will go this fall and into the next year or so with, as far as your groups, what are you hoping is the tone of it?
Caesar:The multiplication the size of it?
Caesar:Like how many and all that.
Caesar:What, what are some of the things that I already know a little bit?
Caesar:Cause we've been here working on that and we're going to talk through some of the steps, but what are your dreams for the future here?
Caesar:Like how immediate and short.
Nick:Yeah, we're fortunate
Nick:to have you and Tina here with us this week, we were fortunate to do a, kind of a unique form of training, where we asked some people what mind shifts have been made and a better part of that group was people from our community, people from our church family and
Caesar:move the balls forward a little bit.
Caesar:And yeah, and to
Nick:hear how many of them then really latched onto the idea of that get to life in
Nick:Jesus that too,
Caesar:instead of supposed to do, or should,
Nick:they're not
Nick:doing something out of obligation than doing something out.
Nick:Uh, tie to a traditional form.
Nick:It's because they get to live like a family on mission with a servanthood posture.
Nick:And to see that it excites me about where the groups could go, because then it's not, I'm not pulling teeth.
Nick:I'm not dragging people through anything.
Nick:There
Caesar:they want this.
Caesar:They came to be equipped in and learn a little bit more.
Caesar:Yeah.
Caesar:And
Nick:so really where we get to take it from here is really start living.
Nick:Some of those get to experiences where we have family dinner nights, where we have open time, where we get together and just be together.
Nick:Uh, you know, it's organized, but it's still very organic and, and free and not, not just pushing them into another class or pushing them into another.
Nick:Small group study, but truly getting to live life together.
Nick:And that's very, very appealing right now to.
Nick:To our majority of our folks after hearing what, what they've said and to us,
Nick:even when
Caesar:they're not a hundred percent sure what that looks like yet.
Caesar:Yeah.
Caesar:Yeah.
Caesar:It shows the hearts of a lot of the folks you have there, like kind of sign me up.
Caesar:I think we had quite a few meetings with elders and some of the elders more than others.
Caesar:And one of the, one of the guys who's a really strong leader.
Caesar:I really appreciated the reality of his encouragement and excitement, but then he kept saying, but I'm still counting the cost.
Caesar:Like, can, can we really go all in.
Caesar:With all this, my answer is yes, but I, I gotta be honest with you that we're a little bit still counting the cost too.
Caesar:Yeah.
Nick:But the truth of the matter is, and what I'm excited about and where the groups and, and this transition could go is that we get to walk into it.
Nick:We don't have to jump in into a place where we're, where we're swamped our calendar.
Nick:With more events, we get to walk in, we get to experience the life that Jesus lived together.
Nick:And, and that excites me probably the most, that, that it's not.
Nick:It's not some sort of bait and switch.
Nick:We're not trying to trick anybody.
Nick:It's come live life with us, come experience the life of freedom that Jesus intended for us to live.
Nick:And, and that excites me because it's.
Nick:And if it kind of shifts the narrative a little bit,
Caesar:it sure does.
Caesar:And here that, that when you're transitioning or even multiplying out a groups or traditional small group, people that say, yeah, we want to go and Missional, it's important to believe that it's not a light switch that you throw.
Caesar:And now everybody's just busy, crazy busy.
Caesar:It really is a lifestyle.
Caesar:I have likened it before, too well, cause it is a family from the, from the time you meet as a couple, let's say to them, Dating seriously.
Caesar:And then you get engaged and then you get married and then you have babies.
Caesar:I mean the stages of life and growth and interactions and the depth of that in the cost of that, and the choice of all those costs that keeps growing and escalating, and it feels beautiful.
Caesar:And now.
Caesar:It's very much the same in this type of a family.
Caesar:It's not a light switch you throw.
Caesar:And now everybody's just like their calendars filled up with alcohol, whole brand new stuff.
Caesar:That's hard.
Caesar:And with people they don't know and like, and they, their houses, you know, seven nights a week, they're doing dinner parties and throwing up, you know, fire ring, fire pit nights and all, you know, it's, it's, it is over time.
Caesar:You're picking up these rhythms as the gospel clarifies and speaks into more and more of the areas of your life.
Danny:Another thing that has just kinda been on my heart.
Danny:We have people who are ready and determined.
Danny:It's just setting them up with the right things in the right process to give them something worth going towards.
Nick:Yeah.
Nick:And, and it changes even the idea of an invitation, uh, traditionally in the church, we're inviting people to church, which means our gathering time, where we're inviting people to a small group where this is a certain event, it's an invitation honestly, into access to.
Nick:Our life and access to myself, to my wife, Barbara, to our family, to our kids, to this beautiful community, family of God that is right in front of them.
Nick:And we're not only encouraging them, we're inviting them into it.
Nick:And I think that just changes the whole pressure of an invitation into something.
Nick:Because it's an invitation
Nick:into me.
Caesar:Yeah.
Caesar:And they love you.
Caesar:And they want that type of access and increased proximity in life on life.
Caesar:Now the trickier part is, and the growth curve is then can we help them start to extend that same type of life to our life, invitation to more and more people and People of Peace and then their extended family members and all that as well.
Caesar:Yeah.
Caesar:And that, to me, it just hammers on the importance of rhythms.
Caesar:That, that if they're, if they realize they're inviting people, not to some thing, but they're inviting people into a community and into, we're going to
Caesar:spend time together, all kinds of stuff, because we're doing life like a family together.
Nick:It takes that pressure off of how am I going to possibly invite someone into something when truly it's just we're together.
Nick:We're family.
Nick:We love each other.
Nick:Yeah.
Nick:Spend time doing the same things.
Nick:Yeah.
Nick:And the pressure's off.
Caesar:I love it.
Caesar:I love it.
Caesar:Well, we've spent the last few days digging under the hood of a lot of stuff there with C3 and you guys it's been a blast.
Caesar:It's also been a lot of work, uh, and planning out some multiplication of your current groups and the starting up of at least one new Missional Community.
Caesar:It looks like kind of heading into the new year here.
Caesar:This is a fairly . Complex situation.
Caesar:As we looked at this and lots of families, there's lots of people, singles lives, different personalities, involved, different gifts and maturity levels represented in the people that you're leading and that you're inviting into this lifestyle with you.
Caesar:Nick, what part of this process and planning that we've done has been the most challenging to you so far?
Nick:Well, from, from my personality wiring, I guess you could say that the thing that's most difficult for me is.
Nick:Probably a fear of, of non reciprocation, afear.
Nick:It's really fear based that what if I invite someone and they, once again select or elect not to
Caesar:sort of be in fear of men kind of issue for sure.
Caesar:And
Nick:that, that leads me to, to do really kind of.
Nick:Gross things in my own heart where I'm saying, well, they wouldn't do that.
Nick:That I'm self-selecting for people and saying, nah, there's no chance that they would want to do that.
Nick:And we did that today when we did some of these exercises and that's just my heart coming out in, in non
Nick:gospel ways,
Caesar:which is really and fair, but articulating it is the starting point.
Caesar:Right?
Caesar:Yeah.
Nick:And, and the, so then the challenge for me is to constantly
Nick:check my heart and say these th these, these are children of God dearly.
Nick:This, this life that we're inviting them into is the most beautiful life they could possibly live.
Nick:What, what, how, how low would I have to think of them to not invite them into this life?
Nick:I say, no, or I'm not ready for that, or I'm busy this time or whatever.
Nick:It's like, well, there's still family.
Nick:I'm going to treat them that way.
Nick:And like, well, we got lots of stuff coming.
Nick:Yeah.
Nick:It doesn't change our relationship.
Nick:And it simply, it simply means that.
Nick:Things are still working in them and that's okay.
Nick:Right.
Nick:And I don't have to fix anything or fix anybody.
Nick:Right.
Nick:Other than just invite them into this life.
Nick:I
Caesar:think the years and years of a Sunday, primarily, or Sunday only focus and attendance being one of the giant metrics who's in, who's out.
Caesar:It's driven that deep into all the stuff of our life.
Caesar:And even as we transitioned from more traditional forms to more Missional incarnational forms, we still tend to think.
Caesar:And even if we're not saying.
Caesar:People tend to hear you're inviting me to this program or this meeting, and it's a binary choice.
Caesar:Like, what night do you guys meet?
Caesar:You know, well, a lot of them, but like, if you, if you're referring to like our family dinner night where the community tries to never miss we're doing that currently on we'll just say Tuesday or Sunday or whatever it would be.
Caesar:Oh, I can't make that so that they, in their mind, it was a binary choice.
Caesar:You're like, well, Maybe that'll change and move, but we're also doing lots of stuff throughout the week.
Caesar:We're just saying, Hey, we see you as family.
Caesar:And we want you to increasingly choose to be in these rhythms.
Caesar:As we grow in the gospel, walk in the ways of Jesus and help others do that.
Caesar:But we have this pull push pull in our heart.
Caesar:And even when we wrap it in different clothing, people still hear it as this who's in who's out binary.
Caesar:Yes, no.
Caesar:I mean, I'm out choice.
Caesar:I'm not liking that.
Caesar:And, but it is hard that lurks in our hearts a lot, Danny and you're planning to be co-leading the startup pretty much from scratch of a new MC no, you're, co-leading, you're not going to be doing that alone or at least that's the hope and the plan.
Caesar:What are you thinking hardest about after some of the planning we did?
Caesar:Yeah.
Caesar:Some
Danny:of mine is very similar to what Nick's going through, just wrestling with my unbelief, but mine's different in the fact that.
Danny:I've always been one to doubt myself and to stepping into new things and actually trusting God with belief that what we're doing is giving people something.
Danny:worth Going towards and just wrestling with the belief of this.
Danny:Isn't a, a small group.
Danny:This isn't just a once a week type deal.
Danny:This is life on life
Caesar:take summer off.
Caesar:Yeah.
Caesar:We're not going to eat like, it's a hassle.
Caesar:We're going every other week now.
Caesar:It's like, just, just cancel those.
Caesar:If that's what's going on in your world out there, just go ahead and cancel that now.
Caesar:And as
Danny:much as this excites me, I still the whole time we were talking about it over these past few days, it's just been constantly in my head of, am I good enough to do this?
Danny:Is this something worth giving our community is, as God in the end can be glorified through this.
Danny:And those are just my unbeliefs that I constantly see as a challenge of something that I'm going to have to work through
Danny:with.
Caesar:And I, I want to just call that out of you guys and pray against all that, because this community is full of grace and they love you.
Caesar:I'm not joking.
Caesar:They will follow you guys up any hill in any mountain.
Caesar:And you're both real winsome and fun, and I watch your life and you're all in.
Caesar:You're like you are, you see these people's family and you're giving it to them and you're both super fluent in the gospel.
Caesar:So I just want to encourage you in that, that when that's bumping up against you, you can just label that.
Caesar:Yeah.
Caesar:Thats not real that's not how people see me and little reminder, um, our actions or their choices.
Caesar:Yes, no indifferent or whatever does not equal who I am and my value or your value.
Caesar:So just a little reminder, a little gospelling
Danny:right there, and that reminder is going to be the thing that will take the pressure off.
Danny:Yeah, it really is.
Caesar:Yeah.
Caesar:And we need that for each other and you guys will need to be doing it a lot for you and the other leaders on your team.
Caesar:All right.
Caesar:So let's walk through the process a little bit that we mapped out over the, like specifically around this.
Caesar:We've talked a lot, a lot about a lot of stuff to get to this point this week, but we mapped out on a whole bunch of huge whiteboard sort of sheets, poster, board things, and taped them up and all that.
Caesar:What are some of the issues.
Caesar:Topics concerns that we address.
Caesar:They'll just from your perspective, as you remember it, I could lay it all out again, but like, what are some of the things that you go, yeah, this had to be addressed, and this was an issue and concerns about matches of people and types and rhythms and associates and all that stuff.
Caesar:I'm like, what are some of that stuff that we mapped out?
Caesar:I'm sure people want to know so that maybe they can do some of that them.
Nick:Well, w we're always thinking about, even though we're all one family as the church, there are still pockets of deeper levels of family.
Nick:Just like your extended family.
Nick:You don't go live with your aunts and uncles most of the time.
Nick:But so we, we have to think about, and we, we spend a good time thinking about, and I think it was fruitful for sure.
Nick:Uh, just kind of how some of those personalities would match up and it makes it super vital to knowing your people and knowing their story, truly knowing them, not just knowing some facts about them, but why
Caesar:was it important that you're looking at that.
Caesar:As you're considering either multiplication or the starting a new groups, not just from
Nick:the simple fact that we don't want the groups to be too heavily focused on one, one person or one family too heavily focused on trying to always be fixing a problem or fixing an issue that could come up.
Nick:We want to make sure that the groups are mission discipleship, focused, community servanthood.
Nick:Driven.
Nick:And in order to do that, there's just some legwork that that gets to happen.
Nick:That we, you know, if we don't do that, we're not being a very good steward of what God has, has placed in our family.
Nick:Uh it's it's like letting the kids drive the car when you know, they can't drive the car.
Nick:You don't, you don't just put a bunch of people.
Nick:Like you've said it a million times.
Nick:You don't just put a lasso around a group of people and label it a community.
Nick:And no, no, striation.
Nick:Of tasks or, or understanding of people and where they are in their
Caesar:gifts, leadership equipping, all that resource.
Nick:Yeah.
Nick:And so you can't know the people in your care enough, you can't know the people that, that you're helping move to deeper levels of belief enough.
Nick:So, so that, that was the biggest thing that, that we kind of wrestled around with a little bit was knowing people's past with each other, knowing people's past areas of unbelief that are just really.
Nick:Obvious because we're high grace people in Maryville at C3.
Nick:And we want to make sure that we don't put people in situations where they're living out of a false identity, but they're truly
Caesar:crazy expectation that they feel you've placed on them and they don't want to disappoint you guys in or whatever.
Caesar:Yeah.
Nick:The, the pressure is off even in.
Nick:Forming these groups of people and trying to place them
Caesar:together.
Caesar:You're not going to pick it perfectly or any of that or not.
Caesar:Everybody will say yes or step up in the ways you hope or some people that you are going to be surprised by.
Caesar:I promise you where you're like, look at them on fire.
Caesar:They've looped in a whole nother community's worth of people in the last month.
Caesar:You know, you're going to see that you really will.
Caesar:I can see some of those people there.
Caesar:They're just fireballs in there.
Caesar:They're like bright lights that people are drawn to at night.
Nick:Yeah.
Nick:And, and just, um, making sure that that people are equipped.
Nick:Uh, if, if we're going to be leading groups, we're always thinking who's going to be going next.
Nick:Who's going to be then able to, to kind of shoulder some of this for a community of people, not just for their own biological family, but truly kind of take the mantle and, and, and carry it on.
Nick:Multiply
Nick:it out.
Caesar:Yeah.
Caesar:And we started out by.
Caesar:Let's take taken like one giant whiteboard, you know, board sheet per group that exists.
Caesar:And then another one for the group that Danny's thinking about leading in on who would be in that.
Caesar:And we started out with like your Nick, your group, you and Barbara lead, uh, in particular, we listed out everybody who's pretty regularly in the rhythms of life and community.
Caesar:And then there was a second like sort of column there of like these folks either used to be, or I know they really want to be, or could be, uh, we are hard to say should be, but really, you know, they really should be there.
Caesar:So desirous of it and maybe.
Caesar:Pursued them yet enough or something happened months ago or years ago.
Caesar:And it got a little weird, or maybe they had a season of life that pulled them out of it.
Caesar:And so I, we haven't even thought about them in that way.
Caesar:And so was it weird for you at all for both of you guys and even Danny, as you were doing the same thing with maybe here's the folks that we would want to pull into a new group for me just to like list out people's names.
Caesar:Does it make some people flip out on that they're like, but now you're making people a project or you're making them a target.
Caesar:And I'm like, but when you've got a family with a lot of kids and you're trying to love them all, well, sometimes you got to do a little inventory.
Caesar:Did we get them all Christmas gifts?
Caesar:Do they all have shoes for school?
Caesar:Did who ate today?
Caesar:Have you seen so-and-so that even get up out of his room today?
Caesar:One.
Caesar:Was it weird at all being so technical about it, where we actually listed out lots of people and families and move people around from sheet to sheet and all that.
Caesar:Um, so
Danny:I don't know if it was as weird for me as it was for you, Nick.
Danny:Um, just in the fact that I love this process of dreaming and it's in some of the technicality that I kind of get a little detached from, but I love doing it today.
Danny:And it was kind of cool to see just.
Danny:Ourselves, identify the people in our community that we need to give more opportunities to.
Danny:And we need to move into deeper levels of trusting who they are sent by God.
Danny:And so that was just kind of a neat process for me, um, to see that like these people that I've kind of looked down on.
Danny:You Nick have seen them in a very different light and seeing the leadership qualities in them.
Danny:And it's given me the confidence to trust them in the group that I'm leading and it takes the pressure off of me when that happens.
Danny:So,
Nick:yeah, and even in a small way, just being able to.
Nick:Bring our collective gifts as, as Danny and Nick and our families, our collective gifts of being able to say, well, how you think you know about that person?
Nick:I've seen a different side.
Nick:Like you were just referencing Danny and it wasn't as weird as much probably again, because I can't reiterate enough knowing these people as people, not a name on a role, not some guy that probably sits in the back.
Nick:It's, I mean, it's knowing these people.
Nick:And so then instead of being kind of awkward or weird, it was actually super encouraging.
Nick:To say that they're not as far off as sometimes we convince ourselves that they might be,
Caesar:yeah, it's not a bridge too far for a lot of these folks.
Caesar:And boy oh boy, we started doing some addition at the end of was saying, Hey, of all the folks currently involved in C3 in community life and increasingly in Missional living, and then all the ones that.
Caesar:Oh, they're going to be in.
Caesar:Totally.
Caesar:We just haven't probably extended the invitation recently enough, or maybe challenged them in this season of their life or marriage or parenting or business or whatever.
Caesar:And then like all these people probably too, it got to be a pretty big number.
Caesar:And then you start thinking about plus their kids and then maybe a little bit of extended bio family.
Caesar:You're like, oh my gosh, there's a lot of fruit left on the tree is winter's coming.
Caesar:Let's get that fruit and baskets.
Danny:And I think that was an encouraging thing to do.
Danny:If we just look at the number of people that are in a seat on a Sunday and not see them for the potential that they have of, and the small groups, we just it's.
Danny:It gets so messy.
Danny:We're not seeing them for who God sees them as, as somebody who is in that.
Danny:And we just see them as this, this number, and we lose track of the numbers too.
Danny:We don't actually see the value of the
Nick:family.
Nick:That's there
Caesar:we tend to, as humans, often as leaders too, we tend to focus on.
Caesar:What's not going well.
Caesar:Or who's not in the seat this week.
Caesar:And we, then we map that into community life too.
Caesar:Like, well, they haven't shown up for a whole bunch of Sundays or whatever.
Caesar:Then we go like, well, I don't know we were doing this, you know, group thing.
Caesar:And then they disappeared for the last, I haven't seen him in a month or whatever.
Caesar:And we tend to focus on what's not happening or who's not around.
Caesar:And part of what I think was really fun and exciting today was we kind of flipped the narrative on that.
Caesar:And we said, well, like who's really engaged in what level?
Caesar:And like, what are some of gifts, you know, abilities.
Caesar:Uh, what's cool about them.
Caesar:What's a challenge.
Caesar:Some of them have that.
Caesar:We want to be careful not to stack too many of those same types of challenges in the community.
Caesar:And then we looked at like, well, who else could be involved in who, you know, all that are totally going to want to right now.
Caesar:And all those people love those people.
Caesar:If they say, if they get in, they're getting in and it really flipped it instead of what's not happening.
Caesar:Which is so much of what happens when you're planning or like we've been doing all kinds of stuff and looking under the hood, but it got, it was really on the positive end, but look, how many people are already engaged in Canby and probably will be.
Caesar:And then they're going to know lots of people,of peace we're going to lead them and you equip them in that way.
Caesar:It starts all of a sudden start.
Caesar:I mean, get a little bit goose pimples.
Caesar:It starts to feel like this.
Caesar:Thing's going to pick up some wind in the sail pretty fast here.
Caesar:You know, what's going to come, what's coming here next year.
Nick:Yeah.
Nick:And that, and then that they encouragement of again, no, These people and knowing if you start to see people's a project and why they're not showing up on a Sunday, for instance, if you don't know them, then you assume the worst and it's
Caesar:it's well, I don't love Jesus enough or they don't like me.
Caesar:Or last time I talked to them, I don't know if there was a weird eye roll.
Caesar:I think he's pissed at me or what,
Nick:but then when we know them and we get to know their story and we see that they live life six days and 22 hours a week in community.
Nick:Even though we might not see them for that two hours that we've decided are the most important on Sunday.
Nick:You know, they are living the gospel life in their communities, in their families, in their extended families because we know their story.
Nick:And because we take time to hear their story and we take time to ask those questions and we don't just assume anything because we, because we were brothers and sisters and we give them the benefit of the doubt.
Nick:We give them a lot of trust and love and, and grace, because it, it, it's bigger than.
Nick:And event,
Caesar:and it's bigger and deeper often then my schematic and my planning and equipping grids, because what we have found consistently over time is sometimes we don't feel like we're seeing people.
Caesar:Like I said, like show up on Sunday, wherever, or like they're not as engaged in community as we'd hope they would be, but then you get to really know them and you realize, okay, they don't use the same gospel identity and six rhythms language and people of peace language.
Caesar:But then as we got to know, They are a hundred percent live in this life out.
Caesar:And that's why we haven't been seen as much because they're out discipling the crazy out of people and live in as a blessing.
Caesar:But can we still though, now we still need them.
Caesar:They're not meant to be an island or lone ranger, disciple makers.
Caesar:And if we could help.
Caesar:Learn how to give it language to help it bring greater amount of people into what they're doing.
Caesar:And then multiply all that, say we're all going to be richer for it, but I love your heart.
Caesar:There is let's, let's not assume a whole lot of negative negativity just because maybe they're not showing up at our stuff.
Caesar:Or, and I think we're still in that old school, enough thought that if we validate that in people that you're living on mission and we see it and we love it.
Caesar:It goes a long way.
Caesar:Yeah.
Caesar:It puts wind in your sails to say, yeah, I know you've been busy a couple Sundays in a row, but I love the fact that you're discipling your neighborhood, that you've got kids in your house every night, that whatever that looks like, if we, as leaders in the church, validate that in people.
Caesar:They realize, wait a minute, something's changing
Nick:right for the better.
Caesar:Yeah.
Caesar:The other night, Tina and I were hanging out with Jim and his wife and their group, and then they invited another group and they said, Hey, talk through the discipleship.
Caesar:Rhythm is a six rhythm story for them to eat and blast celebrate all there.
Caesar:And as we did, you could see light bulbs going on, but there was also a, quite a bit of encouragement when people going, like we're already doing that.
Caesar:And we do that.
Caesar:And it was really a matter of, but I dunno if I do it with an intentionality or we're just.
Caesar:You know, they're nice people and they love people.
Caesar:So it happens, but they're like, but I like this idea of bringing greater intentionality to it, but you could quickly see it.
Caesar:Wasn't like, it's there again.
Caesar:It's not binary.
Caesar:Like you're doing none of this ever.
Caesar:You suck.
Caesar:You're the worst.
Caesar:And, or you're doing it all perfectly like I do, which is not the truth either because none of us do.
Caesar:Right.
Caesar:Know what there is.
Caesar:No perfect it's life.
Caesar:It's it is what it is.
Caesar:All right.
Caesar:So let's, uh, let's put a little finer point on this too.
Caesar:Nick, what are some of the very first steps you'll be taking?
Caesar:Uh, lead on, cause it's not all on you, but what are some of the things that you come out of?
Caesar:The, some of our planning meetings here, what are you taking lead on in the next, say, six weeks.
Caesar:That's going to kind of take us up through the holidays, ish.
Caesar:And as you grow your group and prepare to multiply, it looks like into at least one other MC what do you feel like were some of your very first steps you're taking lead on
Nick:first is to be honest with the family, that we're our, our Missional Community right now and say, we love you, but things are, are changing enough.
Nick:That, that we get to do more than just this, because they'd get very comfortable and cozy and everybody in what
Nick:we've been doing,
Nick:and it's not worse.
Nick:We're not dumping you.
Nick:We're not dropping you.
Nick:We're saying, look at the opportunity.
Nick:That's right outside our door.
Nick:And so then after we have those conversations and we make sure that we're not hurting feelings and that we're not making anybody feel like they're just getting dropped to go to that next ring of people who.
Nick:Just need an invitation to a meal to the party and even invitation to our house, to have a family dinner with our family and say, we can do this.
Nick:Consistently we can do
Caesar:this regularly, asked a little vision, help them understand where this is going.
Caesar:It's not heavy lifting.
Nick:It's maybe serious conversation sometimes that you're not used to, but it's going to add life to your life.
Nick:It's going to add value to your family life, your personal bio, family life.
Nick:Yeah.
Nick:And it's going to just give us a more robust picture of the kingdom of God.
Nick:And so those conversations get to start happening.
Nick:Uh, and, and with excitement, not with not with, oh, like I have to go have these conversations.
Nick:It's more.
Nick:Man look at these people that are just primed and ready that God's worked on and, and through divine timing are, are at the doorstep waiting for us to open the door.
Nick:Cause that's all it feels like.
Nick:Yeah.
Nick:And so I'm excited about having those conversations about having those dinner times, having those, but that's my first steps.
Nick:Get people
Nick:at a table
Caesar:and I've really challenged you to like, okay, so what days are you doing this?
Caesar:When are those texts going out?
Caesar:When are those meals happening?
Caesar:Like, that's really, otherwise, it'd be like, well, you know, Christmas and all that.
Caesar:And as I hear that too, that reminds me a little something that you were saying, Danny earlier, even as we were planning and processing, you hear this, you get excited, but then there's that little bit of dark part of your heart that goes, but am I up to the task and am I good enough?
Caesar:Or do I know what I'm doing?
Caesar:Or will.
Caesar:Well, I know my other friends or neighbors want to do this.
Caesar:Guess what?
Caesar:Some of the folks that love you to death and love and you love to death, when you, you know, sort of cast this larger increasing vision, they're going to go.
Caesar:Yeah.
Caesar:But, and they're gonna have that same heart.
Caesar:Because there's so much mystery in it.
Caesar:And ignorance, breeds, fear, not like ignorance, dumb, but ignorance.
Caesar:Like, I'm not sure what that means, or it looks like a hundred percent until we'd done it a little more.
Caesar:And that is really part of why we have to model this and take people by the hand and make sure we're living it.
Caesar:Not just dictating it at all.
Caesar:Now, Danny, I'll ask you a similar question.
Caesar:What are some of your very first steps that you're going to be taken a lead on in the next six weeks or so, as you get ready to form this new Missional Community, you and another couple, it sounds like is the hope.
Caesar:You know, what kind of equipping do you see needed preparation with folks so that this will goes successfully?
Danny:Yeah, so I think of two things and the first one is with my youth group.
Danny:And you had a lot of conversations with me about how.
Danny:We need, we get to get rid of, kind of the pointless things that we're doing in youth group and center it more on a gospel focused youth ministry to not just be that pizza and pop thing that we're still holding onto, but getting rid of some of the junk, that's still a part of that and truly being there for a purpose.
Danny:And if we want to have fun as a family, we, we get to,
Caesar:and it's not all in one night.
Caesar:So if you go, well, this was a serious night and this is a silly night and right.
Caesar:There's maybe a little of both.
Caesar:But it's all
Danny:just about intentionality with the family and the direction that we see them moving and growing them into deeper gospel fluency and encouraging them with their identity and truly allowing them to believe that.
Danny:Then the
Caesar:second thing, I love that by the way, I just want to say, I love that.
Danny:The second thing with my Missional Community, um, I don't want to say convince, but help my brother understand that this isn't just a small group that we've done in the past.
Danny:This isn't something that is going to be a task.
Danny:This is something that is going to be, so life-giving not only to us, but to the people that are going to be a part of our Missional Community.
Danny:And I think that will bring life to him.
Danny:But the other leader, yeah, it'll, it'll bring.
Danny:To him, but it'll
Caesar:also, we're not using his name while we record this episode of the podcast, just in case he happens to hear this episode of the podcast before Danny and him have all these conversations and we're doing what.
Caesar:Thanks.
Caesar:I heard it on the air on,
Danny:but then it's equipping each other for that equipping each other.
Danny:We are going to take the steps that we need to take to make sure that this isn't just another small group, but this is life on life.
Danny:This is serious deep stuff that we get to go into this.
Danny:I'm asking our father.
Danny:For trust and for guidance, for leadership and for family.
Caesar:Yeah.
Caesar:I love it.
Caesar:And one thing just in real time that I'm thinking, as you're saying all that, Danny is that between now not just the stuff that you were just sort of describing you and th this other leader or . Leadership couple are going to be needing to do in conversations we'll need to have is there is also a pretty healthy list of other individuals and couples that you're thinking is a, probably a great fit and a great blend of gifting and talent and age and stage of life and maturity that, that in hope we're praying towards now being a part of that community, I would also want to challenge you, encourage you that between now and the official sort of start of that are hopeful.
Caesar:Start to really pick up some new rhythms that you.
Caesar:Ask the Lord to show you what's next with those people so that I'm banking, lots of invitation throughout the holidays now and seeing them and serve them a little extra and having a little bit of extra fun and making sure you buy in really, really nice Christmas gifts, a new car, so that when you do start to say, Hey guys, And we really been praying about all that, this, and then just the last few weeks and months, if we've been hanging out a lot more, I want to invite you into something so that it's not just like out of the blue, it's like being cause that, that only propagates, that binary choice out of the blue, you're like, Hey, you want to commit your whole life to live in a community like a family with a whole bunch of us and others.
Caesar:I need an answer today.
Caesar:That's what they hear that, you know.
Caesar:So as you think, and prepare towards that, be banking, a lot of invitations so that when you even invite them into this.
Caesar:It feels like a challenge.
Caesar:It's a challenge that can accept.
Caesar:And this,
Danny:this is the kind of thing that really excites me because in the past, We would try banking invitation into these people's lives, but there wasn't really a purpose.
Danny:We didn't have something that we were trying to move towards
Caesar:to move in maturity towards and all that.
Danny:And we're starting up this new Missional Community that I've dreamed about.
Danny:You Nick have dreamed about for a long time.
Danny:And as we start this up, like it's just so encouraging that the things that we're doing right now to set up life on life, the life in life that we're doing with them right now is only banking, invitation, and banking trust and to their life.
Danny:Blossom when this new Missional Community starts.
Danny:And that is super, super encouraging and exciting for me.
Caesar:It is.
Caesar:And let me just encourage you again, just like I was saying that some people might've been hearing those rhythms and going, Hey, we're already doing a bunch of this stuff.
Caesar:Maybe not with the same level of intentionality the week that we've spent here with you.
Caesar:It's been well, we had a lot of stuff we wanted to get to, and there was some official training and like a little conference, all.
Caesar:It has been a pretty natural, good, fun rhythm of stuff we've done.
Caesar:And there's always been tons of community around you had your birthday.
Caesar:And there was a whole lot of community, but there was also other people that I hadn't met from C3 and people that came in that are just friends of yours from other things, believing and not, and all that.
Caesar:And you guys have a very healthy rhythm of social life together, and it's very inclusive.
Caesar:I think you've banked a lot of invitation already.
Caesar:But I'm really stoked that you're excited to know that you're banking new invitation for greater challenges.
Caesar:That lie ahead.
Caesar:Really, really cool.
Caesar:So be encouraged.
Caesar:You guys have a really cool community that feels very welcoming, warm, inclusive, and we've hung out with so many people.
Caesar:I feel like, man, can we stick around another week that would be awesome?
Caesar:Oh, well, thanks so much for being willing to lift the lid here a little bit again and unpack a little bit.
Caesar:What you've been learning.
Caesar:We've been working on learning together as the Lord leads us.
Caesar:We'll certainly be in prayer about all this.
Caesar:Don't miss that.
Caesar:Everybody that even though we think, and we plan and strategize, it's really the Lord that sets the growth and brings all that.
Caesar:And I want to encourage you guys to be doing that even as listeners.
Caesar:If, if you have been encouraged by the.
Caesar:And you learn something awesome.
Caesar:Of course.
Caesar:And maybe it's going to help you in some of your own thinking forward and planning, but also would you be praying for Danny and Nick here and their families and, and all the family here at C3 that God would grant them great favor in this and in continued growth.
Caesar:So I hope you'll do that.
Nick:Yeah, thank you..
Caesar:Wow.
Caesar:I love those guys.
Caesar:And again, what an amazing week we had together, but I'm so excited and I think you can hear their level of excitement as well.
Caesar:And confidence.
Caesar:I'm so excited for what's ahead for them and their church and the people in their missional communities and all that.
Caesar:And I want you to think about the importance of both celebrating all that's ahead and growth in multiplication, but it's also a time where we need to mourn a little bit together.
Caesar:We mourn change.
Caesar:That's really, what morning is we're morning change, and some will feel a sense of loss just as they feel a sense of growth and purpose to think about when your kids grow up and move out of the house.
Caesar:Maybe that hasn't happened for you, but Tina and I, our kids are grown and they've all moved out and started households and families of their own.
Caesar:And when they were first moving out, this has been a few years ago.
Caesar:Now we were very excited.
Caesar:It was exactly what we had prepared them for all their lives.
Caesar:And yet we were also a little bit sad.
Caesar:Like we're going to miss them or still going to see them.
Caesar:We're still family.
Caesar:Our relationship is not going anywhere, but we won't be in exactly the same rhythms, obviously, as they now head out to start families of their own, but it's a good time, but we also more than.
Caesar:It's good to discuss that in your community before, during and after the multiplication comes, don't just fall victim to shoulding all over people
Caesar:you know, things like we should be doing this.
Caesar:This is good for us.
Caesar:This is good for you.
Caesar:You're going to like this.
Caesar:Don't do that.
Caesar:Embrace both the excitement and oh, things are changing a little bit.
Caesar:There'll be both joy and a little missing of certain rhythms . With some of your closest friends in community, as they move out and start families of their own so to speak keep reminding yourself and everyone else that we're not losing these relationships that we have built and that we love.
Caesar:We're making room for more of these types of relationships in our lives and for others to experience what we love and experience in a gospel centered community.
Caesar:on mission.
Caesar:So we're not losing anything.
Caesar:We're just gaining new ones, new relational depth with new people and making space for more to have this.
Caesar:So let's get to the big three takeaways from today's topic.
Caesar:If nothing else, you don't want to miss these as always, you can get a printable PDF of this week's big three as a free download by going to Everyday Disciple dot com forward slash big three Everyday Disciple dot com for slash big three.
Caesar:Now here's the big three for this week.
Caesar:Not going to want to miss these number one.
Caesar:The right time to start the preparation to multiply your Missional Community is when you're first starting it.
Caesar:A Missional Community is not a holy huddle, renamed small group or Bible study.
Caesar:Your goal is to live increasingly like a family together on mission.
Caesar:Let your folks know that healthy things always grow and we're trust in God for growth in multiplication.
Caesar:Right.
Caesar:That way you'll avoid a bait and switch type of reaction that people can have when they thought they had joined your group for life.
Caesar:Now, number two, the fear that often comes from group growth and community multiplication finds its roots in a false or really small understanding of the.
Caesar:The church that's us, that's people and therefore our extended families on mission.
Caesar:That's what a Missional Community is.
Caesar:We exist for the sake of others to God's glory.
Caesar:We've been sent out with God's own holy spirit to be fruitful and multiply.
Caesar:That's exactly what Jesus said when he sent us on the only mission we have go and make disciples all over the.
Caesar:That closeness and openness, you may feel today with those currently in your group has come from trusting yourself with others, but it's the work of the gospel that has worked through your fears and the need to hide your real self.
Caesar:You can trust God and your ongoing redemption with new brothers and sisters.
Caesar:And number three, leadership development is the tip of the spear.
Caesar:So to speak when it comes to continuous growth and multiplication always got to keep your eye on that.
Caesar:Do you have a person or couple in your community that you're intentionally developing right now for the purpose of leading their own community, their own Missional Community in the near future.
Caesar:Do the other group leaders in your church have identified apprentices and a reproducible plan and resource for their equipping hope.
Caesar:So, if not, that's what you got to start putting your eye too much.
Caesar:Like we were talking about today.
Caesar:If you're finding your groups bursting at the seams with loads of people and or kids, it's time to up your intentionality and developing the next leaders you'll need for multiplication.
Caesar:Okay.
Caesar:Hope that's all helpful and encouraging.
Caesar:If you need any help with any of that, please let me know if you'd like some coaching and systems and resources.
Caesar:Let me know about that too.
Caesar:You can find out more about how to get ahold of me, set up a time to talk and all that go to Everyday.
Caesar:Disciple dot com forward slash coaching.
Caesar:And I'd just love to talk to you and see if I can help you at all.
Caesar:I hope you have a great week and trust God for his provision in everything that he's called.
Caesar:He's faithful and enjoy your Turkey.
Caesar:If I didn't miss you already and treat everyone like part of the family this week, I'll talk to you soon.
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