Start a Movement or Join a Movement
Often with disciple-making, we either have no framework for making disciples of Jesus, or we put together such an elaborate plan that is destined to fizzle out.
This week on the Everyday Disciple Podcast, Caesar talks with a movement leader in Belgium who has helped create a network of communities that are making disciples in beautiful and reproducible ways. This is so encouraging!
In This Episode You’ll Learn:
- How co-vocational saints are leading a large disciple-making movement.
- Why keeping our discipleship process simple makes it reproducible.
- The importance of getting started…or joining others… today!
- How our past church traditions may be causing us to overthink things.
From this episode:
“You don’t need to have a program, to start making disciples, Don’t overthink it. Just grab some people that you know, who have some common interests and who you have access to their lives, and obviously they, they have access to your life… and you can start discipling them. Speak truth into their life because, man, the Gospel is such good news!”
Each week the Big 3 will give you immediate action steps to get you started.
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Links and Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
Coaching with Caesar and Tina in discipleship and missional living.
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Transcript
you don't need to have a program to start making disciples.
Dennis Delbaere:Don't overthink it.
Dennis Delbaere:Just grab some people that you find, okay, we have some common interest and I have suddenly an access to their life, and obviously they, they have access to my life.
Dennis Delbaere:Mm-hmm.
Dennis Delbaere:You can start discipling them.
Dennis Delbaere:You speak truth in their, in their life because man Gospel is such good news.
Caesar Kalinowski:People hear that and go like, what curriculum should I use?
Caesar Kalinowski:And that's not what you're talking about.
Caesar Kalinowski:No.
Caesar Kalinowski:You're talking about helping a move from unbelief to belief in light of the good news of the Gospel in everything.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:So start, just, start doing that.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's amazing what God will do through that.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, even without loads of curriculum.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah,
Dennis Delbaere:yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:If the persecuted church can do it in Iran or Afghanistan or China, why would we
Caesar Kalinowski:overthink?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:We don't need to.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:It doesn't necessarily make it better.
Caesar Kalinowski:In fact, it usually doesn't.
Announcer:Welcome to the Everyday Disciple Podcast, where you'll learn how to live with greater intentionality and an integrated faith that naturally fits into every area of life.
Announcer:In other words, discipleship as a lifestyle.
Announcer:This is the stuff your parents, pastors in seminary.
Announcer:Professors probably forgot to tell you.
Announcer:And now here's your host.
Announcer:Caesar.
Announcer:Kalinowski.
Caesar Kalinowski:Alright, so this is gonna be probably the most raw episode of the Everyday Disciple Podcast ever.
Caesar Kalinowski:I am literally on the road, I'm here in Brussels with my brother Dennis, and a whole bunch of awesome Disciple makers and it's been an amazing week so far of teaching.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, we we're having a blast and this, this organization's called Recruits and I am just going straight into it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Because I'm on the road and I didn't wanna skip.
Caesar Kalinowski:I wanted to be with y'all, but I wanted to talk to Dennis and let you hear a little bit about what their ministry's doing here in Belgium.
Caesar Kalinowski:And it's expanding and it's really encouraging and I think it's gonna encourage all of you as well.
Caesar Kalinowski:So we're just gonna have a discussion.
Caesar Kalinowski:And then when it gets to the big three today, we're probably just gonna summarize that live too.
Caesar Kalinowski:So here you are every day, Disciple as every day, and as raw as it gets.
Caesar Kalinowski:So Dennis, just tell us a little bit first of your story, you and Gial.
Caesar Kalinowski:And, uh, yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Where you are in life and kids and marriage and just all that kind of stuff.
Caesar Kalinowski:Oh,
Dennis Delbaere:yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:Uh, Gial and I, you met like 12 years ago.
Dennis Delbaere:13 years ago, and got married uh, three years later because we were still in high school and we met.
Dennis Delbaere:So you, you need money to get married, you know?
Dennis Delbaere:Yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:Know how you yea, TIna and I met in high school too.
Dennis Delbaere:Yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:So three years later we got married and um, we have four kids now.
Dennis Delbaere:Um, yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:Been in youth ministry since we met.
Dennis Delbaere:Um, been leaning up for eight years and then suddenly God, like, called us into, into whole new discipleship movement that was going on here called recruits.
Dennis Delbaere:And, uh, we've been part of it ever since.
Dennis Delbaere:So our kids are growing up in this community of, of amazing young men and women.
Dennis Delbaere:Beautiful.
Dennis Delbaere:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Beautiful.
Caesar Kalinowski:That the kids are growing up thinking this is normal to have people around discipleship as lifestyle.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right?
Caesar Kalinowski:I love it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Absolutely.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:I love it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Tell so, Recruits started when?
Dennis Delbaere:Uh, in 2014.
Dennis Delbaere:Okay.
Dennis Delbaere:So, um, this one guy, Mathias, shout out to him because he did an amazing job, but he was one of the, the leaders at a camp.
Dennis Delbaere:And a couple of guys, like who, who went to camp every year.
Dennis Delbaere:Like, man, every time we go to camp, our hearts are full and on fire.
Dennis Delbaere:But then two weeks later after camp, like we go back into normal, we don't want that
Caesar Kalinowski:to, to like an evangelistic camp or
Dennis Delbaere:something?
Dennis Delbaere:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:Oh yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:Sorry.
Dennis Delbaere:Yeah, yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:No problem.
Dennis Delbaere:Um, and, and they came up to him like, like, can you teach us, can you mentor us?
Dennis Delbaere:Like how to follow Jesus.
Dennis Delbaere:Not only like.
Dennis Delbaere:To, to, to have that fire here just in camp, but also in, in everyday life and deals like, yeah, let's do it.
Dennis Delbaere:Um, just to make a long story short.
Dennis Delbaere:Sure.
Dennis Delbaere:So one group of guys, seven young men just going off to college every week, came together in, in, in a small room in the heart of Brussels.
Dennis Delbaere:And then the next year I think there were five groups or four groups, and after that it expanded.
Caesar Kalinowski:So is the way that those recruits groups were put together, does it build multiplication right
Dennis Delbaere:into it then?
Dennis Delbaere:Yeah, absolutely.
Dennis Delbaere:So that's one of the commitments they have to make.
Dennis Delbaere:Like we, we do this, um, but with the intentionality of passing it on to somebody else, like we cannot just come here as a consumer.
Dennis Delbaere:We also have to, to raise others.
Dennis Delbaere:Um, to do the same.
Dennis Delbaere:So we are disciples who are making disciples.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:I love that.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's sort of built into it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right?
Caesar Kalinowski:And I think that's a normal assumption.
Caesar Kalinowski:However, however, yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:The way I was discipled originally was like, here's your nine lessons and uh, you're done and you're a Disciple.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And then, but you're not mature enough yet to take somebody else through this or, you know, it was like, it was real like, Kind of once and done and Or you did the 1 0 1, 2 0 1 3 0 1 4 1 class and yeah, I guess you're a Disciple now.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know?
Dennis Delbaere:Or you get baptized and, and the church thinks, oh yeah, he's one of us now.
Dennis Delbaere:So he's
Caesar Kalinowski:good.
Caesar Kalinowski:He's in just these sermons, you know, a couple times a month that'll get it done.
Caesar Kalinowski:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:I love that it's built in with, that's the assumption.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Just like I think with our kids, you know, you have an assumption we're gonna raise them to.
Caesar Kalinowski:Probably have a family someday.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And move out and be adults and, and live a great life.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so,
Dennis Delbaere:yeah, they're gonna, they're gonna grow up anyway, so you better put in your heart, so, so that you'll make something out of that.
Dennis Delbaere:So, yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:So then how did you get connected to recruits?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah,
Dennis Delbaere:so Mathias and I were both a guest speaker on a, on a huge evangelistic conference.
Dennis Delbaere:Okay.
Dennis Delbaere:And, um, they, they kind of set us up like, Hey, meet with each other.
Dennis Delbaere:So you can, you can have like a talk how Mathias is going to, Uh, preach sermon A and you're gonna do like the follow up sermon B, so get together.
Dennis Delbaere:So we got together, worked that out first time that we met, I think the second time.
Dennis Delbaere:But that's one the first time that we really got close and, and, and could connect with one another.
Dennis Delbaere:I think we talked about five minutes about the sermon and then talked about discipleship and everything around it for the next four hours.
Dennis Delbaere:And, um, he was telling me about the things that he was reading and discovering, um, and that God was showing him.
Dennis Delbaere:And that's when my heart connected with, with the great commission.
Dennis Delbaere:I didn't even know there was a great commission until that point.
Dennis Delbaere:And I've been in church.
Dennis Delbaere:Yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:Since forever.
Caesar Kalinowski:You're teaching and preaching and you're still not following a great commission.
Caesar Kalinowski:What's the point here?
Caesar Kalinowski:I
Dennis Delbaere:knew Matthew 2 28 and something, but that it is called great commission and that's something for us, the church to do and to live out as, as a mission given from Jesus.
Dennis Delbaere:I had no clue until that point.
Dennis Delbaere:Wow.
Dennis Delbaere:So he connected me with that and yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:You know, Google, you just search up things and the big.
Dennis Delbaere:Transformation that happened in my heart was, uh, a book written by David Plat called Radical.
Dennis Delbaere:Mm.
Dennis Delbaere:And one of his five challenges was you either, uh, start a DMM, so a Disciple making movement, or join one.
Dennis Delbaere:I'm like, well, one is happening already.
Dennis Delbaere:And I told Mathias, I'm in, I'm, I'm in a hundred percent.
Dennis Delbaere:Like, what do you want me to do?
Dennis Delbaere:Where do you want me to do it?
Dennis Delbaere:And yeah, that's
Caesar Kalinowski:a, so I'm gonna make an assumption here, and if I'm wrong, let me know.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay?
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:But if at this point you're already, you know the word, you're an adult, you've been in church forever, and you're just now waking up to the implication and the fullness of the great commission.
Caesar Kalinowski:Mm-hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:Go and make disciples, fill the world with God's glory.
Caesar Kalinowski:Then I'm guessing you probably had not been.
Caesar Kalinowski:Deeply discipled
Dennis Delbaere:yourself?
Dennis Delbaere:Not at all.
Dennis Delbaere:Not at all.
Dennis Delbaere:So that's what I mean, like you get baptized and, and Oh yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:He's in, he's one of us now.
Dennis Delbaere:That's okay.
Dennis Delbaere:He's saved.
Dennis Delbaere:Mm-hmm.
Dennis Delbaere:And, and that did not not stroke with Martin.
Dennis Delbaere:I'm like, man, I'm reading, I'm reading in the Bible.
Dennis Delbaere:Like, um, Joshua had a Moses, Elisha, Elijah, I mean, like, what's up?
Dennis Delbaere:Like, like the 12 disciples had Jesus.
Dennis Delbaere:Yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:And, and they had disciples like, I mean, look at Paul.
Dennis Delbaere:Yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:So what's going on there?
Dennis Delbaere:And um, I asked God for mentor and he, he mentored me.
Dennis Delbaere:Really?
Dennis Delbaere:He's a theologian PhD, so I got really discipled into head knowledge.
Dennis Delbaere:No, not Mathias.
Dennis Delbaere:Uh, he's, he's an older guy, but Okay.
Dennis Delbaere:But not that, that much older about smart guy, amazing heart.
Dennis Delbaere:So I got really a lot of knowledge and, and, and, you know, tools and skills.
Dennis Delbaere:Yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:But, To Disciple and to be discipled is something way different because you, you give entrance to, to your life when you're discipling somebody.
Dennis Delbaere:Yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:Or the other way around.
Dennis Delbaere:Right.
Dennis Delbaere:You get entrance in somebody's
Caesar Kalinowski:life.
Caesar Kalinowski:It really is a life.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:On life together.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And it's a lifestyle for sure.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:We talk about that a lot.
Caesar Kalinowski:We have an overlap in our stories there, because for me, one of the things that God did, and I've probably talked about this on the podcast before when I was traveling overseas quite a bit, doing missions.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, right.
Caesar Kalinowski:But not making disciples at home, but going to do missions, which the mission is discipleship anyway.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, the spirit of God started always like calling me to read the book of Acts during this trip.
Caesar Kalinowski:And then it kind of, I did it so many times, so many trips.
Caesar Kalinowski:It kind of became my thing, like when I go overseas, I read the book of Acts.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I started noticing these parallels between the way the church was like in the bush, in Africa, in Burma during the war.
Caesar Kalinowski:Wow.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, all over Thailand, you know, it was like all this stuff.
Caesar Kalinowski:And you were like, oh man, the church.
Caesar Kalinowski:They're being the church, they're not really putting on much church services cause they don't, you know, it's a war.
Caesar Kalinowski:They don't have buildings, they have barely have food, you know, and, and it looks just like the book of Acts.
Caesar Kalinowski:Wow.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like it really did, you know, like when I'm reading and I'm looking at how Jesus spent time with his disciples, I'm like, that's what they're doing.
Caesar Kalinowski:And then we'd come home and we were putting on church.
Caesar Kalinowski:Wow.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know what I mean?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so that same thing is like, God, do, where do I get to do this?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Do we Who, who's gonna do this with us?
Dennis Delbaere:Yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:That was actually a question I have for you.
Dennis Delbaere:So, When, when did you like knew?
Dennis Delbaere:Now my heart is connected to this discipleship and being on mission and as a community.
Dennis Delbaere:Like you were in the church, you grew up in the church.
Dennis Delbaere:Yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:When did that all shifted?
Dennis Delbaere:How do you remember?
Dennis Delbaere:Can you recall?
Dennis Delbaere:Well,
Caesar Kalinowski:a big part of that shift was D doing all this international travel, and then I would come home and I would feel the difference and I'd go, wow, I wanna live like that.
Caesar Kalinowski:I wanna live like they did.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like we got to live with them all week.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, they let us, right.
Caesar Kalinowski:We were.
Caesar Kalinowski:Being the church.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Instead of going to church.
Caesar Kalinowski:And then I'd come home and we were putting on church.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And you know, and it was wonderful and it was big and it was a lot of people, but it wasn't the same in, in many ways it wasn't the same.
Caesar Kalinowski:Do you know what I mean?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I was like, I was longing for like this family oikos mission as the church people.
Caesar Kalinowski:As the church living it out day to day.
Caesar Kalinowski:Super connected.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so that was around 2003 or so.
Caesar Kalinowski:Oh wow.
Caesar Kalinowski:That that was really starting to hit our hearts hard.
Caesar Kalinowski:And it was in 2004 when finally God showed us like, I'm moving you to Tacoma.
Caesar Kalinowski:We had our friends there.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Jeff and Janie Vanderstelt.
Caesar Kalinowski:And they were just getting a handful of people together to talk about this lifestyle too.
Caesar Kalinowski:And we said, oh, we gotta join them, you know?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so then Tina and I had to go back to Chicago area there and, and both quit and say, Hey, we love you.
Caesar Kalinowski:But guess what?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:You know?
Dennis Delbaere:Was that a hard conversation?
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, I, I remember, I can remember it pretty clearly.
Caesar Kalinowski:I, I called up, uh, the.
Caesar Kalinowski:X xp.
Caesar Kalinowski:The, um, executive pastor, he kind of ran the staff.
Caesar Kalinowski:Oh, wow.
Caesar Kalinowski:Executive pastor.
Caesar Kalinowski:Oh, there's so many staff though.
Caesar Kalinowski:He was huge.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's an organization.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I called him up and I, and his name was John, and I said, John, um, and this is how exactly the spirit of God led me to, to bring this up.
Caesar Kalinowski:I said, we have been given a great opportunity by God.
Caesar Kalinowski:And he goes, what's that?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I said, the opportunity that God has given us.
Caesar Kalinowski:Is that Tina and I are to go and start to plant churches and make disciples in community.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like much like I've been talking about, we see on these trips and people living this way and what should we do about this?
Caesar Kalinowski:Because I was trying to buy, get their buy-in.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right.
Caesar Kalinowski:And he was like, oh, I don't know.
Caesar Kalinowski:We better talk to the senior pastor right away if you're leaving.
Caesar Kalinowski:Cuz I was super entrenched in the.
Caesar Kalinowski:Staff, you know?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:I was one of the lead team, and I had multiple departments I was running, and production was one of 'em.
Caesar Kalinowski:And that was everything lived and died by that production.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so we went and talked to him and said, so we have this opportunity, you know?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And he was like, these are the words he said.
Caesar Kalinowski:He said, our dog is not in that hunt.
Caesar Kalinowski:Wow.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know what I mean?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:I'm like, what do you mean I'm making disciples?
Caesar Kalinowski:Well, no, we're here doing this and if you wanna do that, and then you get to do that.
Caesar Kalinowski:But I said, well, we're family and we've been here for 12 years and serving faithfully.
Caesar Kalinowski:Can we be helped to go do this?
Caesar Kalinowski:And they're like, nah, that's okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:Oh, wow.
Caesar Kalinowski:So there was no like, oh, that's so hard.
Caesar Kalinowski:So that was hard.
Caesar Kalinowski:So, but it wasn't an antagonistic conversation per se.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:But there was, there was some of this where like, well, what's wrong?
Caesar Kalinowski:What are you doing different?
Caesar Kalinowski:What are we, what's wrong with what we're doing?
Caesar Kalinowski:Mm-hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:I said, well, we're not looking to put on church services right away.
Caesar Kalinowski:We want to go make disciples.
Caesar Kalinowski:Mm-hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:However long that takes.
Caesar Kalinowski:Mm-hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:And then we'll regather those.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And, um, and then, and then multiply those communities.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I remember the senior pastor said, it'll never work.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:I said, why not?
Caesar Kalinowski:And he goes, cuz you'll never multiply preachers fast enough.
Caesar Kalinowski:And, and I, and I, and I said, well, what do you mean?
Caesar Kalinowski:He goes, it's, it all lives and dies by the preacher.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I knew he believed that cuz he was the preacher.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:But I never thought he'd say it out loud.
Caesar Kalinowski:Well, oh yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I love this guy and he's a wonderful man and he's a wonderful preacher.
Caesar Kalinowski:But that was his perspective on if you're gonna multiply the church, will you multiply out that pulpit?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, right.
Caesar Kalinowski:All right.
Caesar Kalinowski:And that's an aspect of it, but that certainly is not.
Caesar Kalinowski:an indicator, again, we were.
Caesar Kalinowski:We were discipleship focused, so we're like, the only thing we need to multiply out is how many dinner tables we can get going on.
Caesar Kalinowski:And when we gather, we did it all kinds of wacky places, you know, warehouses and in parks and coffee shops at night or what, you know, whatever it took, you know?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:That didn't matter.
Caesar Kalinowski:People didn't care where we gathered.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's just that we did.
Caesar Kalinowski:And anyway, so that's, that's how that shifted for me.
Caesar Kalinowski:Wow.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, that's powerful.
Caesar Kalinowski:Now how about you in your church experience, you're working with recruits now, and I'm gonna talk a little bit more about how those groups look in a minute, but did that shift your own experience of going to church over time?
Caesar Kalinowski:Oh, absolutely.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, cause I'm, I'm mess, I'm guessing.
Caesar Kalinowski:Did you ever work for a church?
Dennis Delbaere:Uh, no.
Dennis Delbaere:So in Belgium we don't have many full-timers or staff, uh, on church.
Dennis Delbaere:So I was doing a full-time job as a volunteer and I have my paid job.
Dennis Delbaere:Okay, sure.
Dennis Delbaere:So, but I didn't work for a church.
Dennis Delbaere:Okay.
Dennis Delbaere:But.
Dennis Delbaere:It, it shifted my, my view on how church could be.
Dennis Delbaere:I'm like, before that, you look at the huge megachurches as like your role model and you try to attract people to the institution and the program that's on Sunday, and I love the church.
Dennis Delbaere:I grew up in it.
Dennis Delbaere:I, I have given so many chances by it, but when that discipleship heart of of mine got formed, I was like, man, we are missing so much here.
Dennis Delbaere:What's it that we can do?
Dennis Delbaere:So I was in the church, I'm like talking about this with so many leaders, my peers Yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:Uh, on youth ministry.
Dennis Delbaere:And, um, my view on, on how we gathered kind of changed.
Dennis Delbaere:I loved it.
Dennis Delbaere:I loved going in because I loved the people over there.
Dennis Delbaere:Yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:And then it's more than just Sunday.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right.
Caesar Kalinowski:And that's how it was for us too.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:We had been at this church 12 years.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Deep relationships.
Caesar Kalinowski:It was hard to leave from that standpoint.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:But the call to go and be the church and make disciples was so much stronger.
Caesar Kalinowski:And, and after having tried a bunch of stuff, we knew that that church we were in was never really gonna fully go that way.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And they had small groups, but the small groups pretty much studied the sermon on Sunday and then they took the summers off.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And some of them only met once a month and it just wasn't like a family on a mission together.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And, and we tried that like with our closest friends, people we had known for years.
Caesar Kalinowski:And they were all, that sounds amazing.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:But then when we tried to live it, like, but we're too busy.
Dennis Delbaere:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:And they don't see like, um, how everything can fit into their busy life.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:So, so let's, let's go back just a little bit.
Caesar Kalinowski:I want to talk about what the recruits, like these groups that you form and multiply to make disciples Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, disciples and, and start, and I know this is changing too.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like you guys are iterating and moving forward.
Caesar Kalinowski:I love that.
Caesar Kalinowski:So tell me a little bit about that.
Caesar Kalinowski:How do the groups form, and you've obviously led some of these groups now, but tell how do they get started?
Dennis Delbaere:Yeah, so.
Dennis Delbaere:We just had a, a session on the person of peace.
Dennis Delbaere:Mm-hmm.
Dennis Delbaere:So that's how we try to engage for starting a new group.
Caesar Kalinowski:Let me just explain what he means.
Caesar Kalinowski:What we just had.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:So I've been here with Tina training all week.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:With a bunch of the recruits and their leaders.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's been wonderful.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so we just had a big deep dive into finding People of Peace and what that looks like and how to identify them.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And where, where are they and all that.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:So
Dennis Delbaere:when we find that person of peace, we try to connect with them and their oikos, so the people that, that they're closest with and we, we ask them like, Um, this is what we do and why we do it.
Dennis Delbaere:Do you know anybody that you, you, you might be interested in joining us?
Dennis Delbaere:Yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:So we formed these new groups every, um, I would say a year.
Dennis Delbaere:Okay.
Dennis Delbaere:And, um, we, we, we do this, um, by following the, the, the, like the biggest command, like the Pharisees that challenge Jesus, what's the biggest command.
Dennis Delbaere:Mm-hmm.
Dennis Delbaere:And Jesus says, love the Lord.
Dennis Delbaere:Um, with all your mind, all your soul or your strength and all your whole heart.
Dennis Delbaere:Yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:So we go to these four.
Dennis Delbaere:Loving phases, so Jesus king.
Dennis Delbaere:So we have to surrender our whole mind.
Dennis Delbaere:Jesus is king.
Dennis Delbaere:So also our soul needs to be surrendered to him, but also all our skills and, and, and the things that we do out of our own strength.
Dennis Delbaere:And then most importantly, our heart, where we're actually our identity is, is en rooted.
Dennis Delbaere:So yeah, that's why we try, that's what we try to do.
Dennis Delbaere:I say try.
Dennis Delbaere:Mm-hmm.
Dennis Delbaere:Because not everybody always picks it up.
Dennis Delbaere:You know, it's, or they learn
Caesar Kalinowski:it in their head and it doesn't quite make it to the
Dennis Delbaere:heart
Dennis Delbaere:. Yes.
Dennis Delbaere:And then the time comes when they start their own groups and then suddenly it's too hard or life gets too busy, they back out of it.
Dennis Delbaere:So that's, that's the story.
Dennis Delbaere:But as you can see, we have 130 people over here fully booked.
Dennis Delbaere:Um, a lot of kids also over here.
Dennis Delbaere:Yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:There are people who are grasping it, and we've been expanding ever since, um, since 2014.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's so amazing.
Caesar Kalinowski:I know you went from one group to like Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:A lot of groups now.
Caesar Kalinowski:How many groups are running
Dennis Delbaere:this year?
Dennis Delbaere:Oh, I have absolutely no idea.
Dennis Delbaere:We have 45, um, in, in my region alone, so.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:So a lot.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's so beautiful.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, brother.
Caesar Kalinowski:And, and I know there's, there's been some growing of that to go like, Hey, some of this is accidentally becoming more of like a church together, you know, and all that.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, But before we go there, like it's a little bit of a tease for everybody, but, um, uh, what I know there's, I, I'm gonna ask a question that's impossible to answer, not like on the average, but what would be some typical timelines of someone who maybe comes into recruits, you know, they're a person of peace, they're interested, they're learning, you're discipling 'em, you're starting to do more life together.
Caesar Kalinowski:Be, how long might it be before someone like that would actually start to form and pull their own recruits group together?
Caesar Kalinowski:Man, Is that right away, like within that year or not necessarily?
Caesar Kalinowski:Or is it years later?
Dennis Delbaere:Some people like pick it up after three months and some, some people like you go, you do live with them for two years until they finally start to figure out, oh man, actually I am already discipling a couple of guys.
Dennis Delbaere:I just never knew that, that I was doing it.
Dennis Delbaere:Um, um, in a way that, that I'm designed to do it.
Dennis Delbaere:Mm.
Dennis Delbaere:So, gotcha.
Dennis Delbaere:It's always hard, like if you, if you have a strong personality as a leader Yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:That's, that's a good thing.
Dennis Delbaere:But that's also, that can be a trap.
Dennis Delbaere:Sure.
Dennis Delbaere:So people look at you and, and they think, oh, I have to do it exactly like that.
Dennis Delbaere:Right.
Dennis Delbaere:And that's not the case be because God made us so uniquely and so cool.
Dennis Delbaere:Yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:So everybody has, has his own, um, um, uniqueness to bring in and, and actually Disciple others.
Dennis Delbaere:Yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:And to show them, which means
Caesar Kalinowski:no two are gonna look the same.
Caesar Kalinowski:Exactly.
Caesar Kalinowski:No.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I hope not.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And how they, and that, you know what you said, like sometimes a strong leader, that can be a bit of a detriment because people think I have to do exactly them and I never could.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And that's been part of my, not to like say I'm the strongest leader in the world, but that's been part of my challenge is to make sure that I'm always breaking things down.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's probably why we do this podcast and so much of the training we offer.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:It breaks it all down into really bite-size, starting with identity, basic steps of things, because I don't want it to be that way.
Caesar Kalinowski:And cuz we accidentally did that in the beginning too.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:When we were first starting Soma communities.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like us and the Vandrselts , we had no problem gathering a crowd and we were discipling people to maturity and they were getting baptized and, and others started trying to do it, but they only wanted to do exactly what we did.
Caesar Kalinowski:And then some of them could, if we were like that next generation.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:But once they got another generation away, yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:They, they, they couldn't see the original, so then they didn't know what to copy and then they get burned out on it, you know, it didn't flow naturally from identity.
Caesar Kalinowski:Through a process that they could totally make their own, you know, in, in everyday life.
Caesar Kalinowski:So that was something we had to learn
Dennis Delbaere:too.
Dennis Delbaere:Yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:Yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:And, and you, you can explain that to, to, to the growth spot.
Dennis Delbaere:Only when they, when they, uh, move it from their head to their hearts.
Dennis Delbaere:Yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:And, and make the, the mission of Jesus their own.
Dennis Delbaere:Then you see a shift if they think, oh, I have to do this because I have this leader.
Dennis Delbaere:Yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:Like I have Caesar.
Dennis Delbaere:Showing it to me and Cesar telling it, um, to me that I have to do it this way.
Dennis Delbaere:Yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:No, that's not gonna work.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:So now I know since we've met, you and I are in coaching right together.
Caesar Kalinowski:You're in coaching with Tina and I, you and Gial.
Caesar Kalinowski:What a blast.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's so far, we're loving that.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, and I feel like we're learning just as much from you guys.
Caesar Kalinowski:Uh, what has been shifting in the last six months or so?
Caesar Kalinowski:Maybe it's longer.
Caesar Kalinowski:I don't know.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Cause I know you guys have started to have like a home church gathering.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And it's like, Your recruits groups have kind of grown into something fuller, bigger.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:I don't know what, how would you describe it?
Caesar Kalinowski:What's changing?
Caesar Kalinowski:Oh
Dennis Delbaere:yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:That's a story on its own, but.
Dennis Delbaere:When we moved last year, and this was the first time that we were really convinced God is placing us somewhere with a purpose and we are trying to figure out what, because in, in our eyes it wasn't even strategically correct.
Dennis Delbaere:Because they're where he moved, you mean?
Dennis Delbaere:Yeah, because all recruit groups were around us and a lot of of young couples sort of like there.
Dennis Delbaere:There are a lot of Christians over there who doing the discipleship making.
Dennis Delbaere:Why are we moving there?
Dennis Delbaere:But.
Dennis Delbaere:As soon as we moved, like the first day people were coming over, help us unpack the boxes.
Dennis Delbaere:So you here anyway, like you want, you want to grab a cup of coffee and like try to find them in the boxes.
Dennis Delbaere:Yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:So, and that, that never stopped.
Dennis Delbaere:And um, yeah, my wife, she, she's amazing cook and she just started to make food for everybody.
Dennis Delbaere:Who comes over, she makes extra.
Dennis Delbaere:She knows.
Dennis Delbaere:Okay.
Dennis Delbaere:Yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:Uh, Dennis says, boys, uh, the group is coming here, I make extra.
Dennis Delbaere:You never know.
Dennis Delbaere:Yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:You never know.
Dennis Delbaere:Right.
Dennis Delbaere:And, um, then suddenly it dawned to us like, wait, we're actually being a church.
Dennis Delbaere:We don't, we don't have the, the, the songs, the three worship songs and, and then the three, like really spiritual connecting songs and the sermon.
Dennis Delbaere:But man, we're, we're doing life together and now we're trying to figure out how we can multiply that.
Dennis Delbaere:Like, you wanna have a dna, you don't wanna have it like a really loose cannon, right?
Dennis Delbaere:Because you wanna make an impact on, on your neighborhood.
Dennis Delbaere:You want, you want to have that effect and acts like, or people all, all for you, or they want to drag you through court because hey, those guys are, throw you off a cliff.
Dennis Delbaere:Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:I have to think of, of, um, Um, that I, I dunno how to say it in English, but a guy who, who was an ephessians screaming great is the God whose arm because Oh, right.
Dennis Delbaere:He's like, oh, these guys have come here.
Dennis Delbaere:We don't make any money now.
Dennis Delbaere:Like, right.
Dennis Delbaere:So that's, that's the impact that you want to have on, on your neighborhood because wow, Jesus comes and he is Lord, he's truly Lord.
Dennis Delbaere:So we're trying to like figure out, okay, how we can multiply this in a healthy
Caesar Kalinowski:way.
Caesar Kalinowski:I love the, Easiness of which this sort of started to form beyond a discipleship group.
Caesar Kalinowski:Mm-hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:Which you're multiplying those.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's great.
Caesar Kalinowski:I think it's, maybe I'm just gonna say something.
Caesar Kalinowski:Mm-hmm.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, you and I haven't talked about, I think maybe it's just been God's design.
Caesar Kalinowski:You have been making disciples first.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yes.
Caesar Kalinowski:And you've learned how to multiply those groups.
Caesar Kalinowski:And those are changing even how you do that.
Caesar Kalinowski:And they're Fuller.
Caesar Kalinowski:Fuller.
Caesar Kalinowski:And now some are, those are gonna be morphing into a fuller Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Expression of church.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right.
Caesar Kalinowski:But I, I think.
Caesar Kalinowski:Because so many of us, so many of us have come from a background of, you know, you start a church service, that's how you plant a church and then you re-pot Christians cuz that's who comes to a new church service, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Think about it like, you know, and then, and then you try to talk them into going and making disciples.
Caesar Kalinowski:Much like our experience, you guys have kind of accidentally slid into doing it upside down.
Caesar Kalinowski:We've learned how to start making disciples, but we knew there was more and life on life started to happen naturally than because you opened your home.
Caesar Kalinowski:And you didn't worry about like, oh, do we have to have three songs?
Caesar Kalinowski:Should there be four?
Caesar Kalinowski:Do we need announcements at the end?
Caesar Kalinowski:Should we get a screen?
Caesar Kalinowski:Do we need, should we get pulpit like, you know, in our house?
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, you just let it be the church.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's natural and it's lightweight.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so I think it will be very reproducible again, looking very, very different from church.
Caesar Kalinowski:The church, right.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And it should, when we read about the church, In the New Testament, you know, it's always referred to as the oikos at this person's house or the oikos in this city or whatever.
Caesar Kalinowski:They weren't, I know they weren't following a plan book, you know, they didn't have like, this is the order of service and make sure you get a Psalm stuck in here.
Caesar Kalinowski:Exactly.
Caesar Kalinowski:At 11 minutes in
Dennis Delbaere:and with the shots of wine,
Caesar Kalinowski:with the little plastic cup, get the plastic.
Caesar Kalinowski:We haven't even been in plastic yet, but the church did.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know?
Caesar Kalinowski:Anyway, so I love the, I love the simplicity and the naturalness and the ease that you guys have.
Caesar Kalinowski:You're not stressing it, you're not, you know, yet, you know, you entered into coaching cuz you're still learning and you're trying to put some more processes of reproducibility in Yeah, and, and, and our stuff's pretty flexible.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's the point, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:So that it can be reproduced Absolutely.
Caesar Kalinowski:In a million ways.
Caesar Kalinowski:So I love that you're really, it's easy.
Caesar Kalinowski:You're not stressing out over this, you're not striving
Dennis Delbaere:over it.
Dennis Delbaere:Yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:And that's not in my design.
Dennis Delbaere:Um, I'm, I'm the guy that, that wants to have a program and, and here are your 12 steps to go to the next level.
Dennis Delbaere:Yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:So this, this organic way of gathering is, is so freeing, and it's a whole new experience.
Dennis Delbaere:So it's so amazing the journey we are on right now.
Dennis Delbaere:I
Caesar Kalinowski:love it.
Caesar Kalinowski:I, I think some people would say, well, that's not really fully church yet.
Caesar Kalinowski:But I wanna remind them, you know, well cuz you don't have a building or you don't have elders or you don't have a presbytery or you don't have a district or you know, all these things.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Or an executive pastor.
Caesar Kalinowski:Or an executive.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so, but I wanna remind them to go back and look at the book of Acts and look at all the epistles and how long the church was multiplying out oikos before any elders were appointed.
Caesar Kalinowski:They never had a church building, ever.
Caesar Kalinowski:Not anywhere in the book.
Caesar Kalinowski:It didn't happen, you know.
Caesar Kalinowski:Well, what about the Hall of Terrains?
Caesar Kalinowski:Well, that was a place that Paul was using to train.
Caesar Kalinowski:Disciple makers, you know what I mean?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:He wasn't holding church services there.
Caesar Kalinowski:They never said that.
Caesar Kalinowski:So I, I, I think what you're doing is the, is church and it's the, it's a beautiful representation of it.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, where I felt like we had some church yesterday, like a whole church service happened.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:I was invited to do the story of God with some of the kids.
Caesar Kalinowski:Oh yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:That was so cool.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so we just did the very first story.
Caesar Kalinowski:It had to be translated, you know, cause I speak English and those kids didn't, but it was all beautiful.
Caesar Kalinowski:We're sitting around on the carpets and chairs and was laying on the floor and it was natural.
Caesar Kalinowski:We did the first story.
Caesar Kalinowski:And, uh, you know, angels watching God as he's creating the foundations of the earth.
Caesar Kalinowski:Lucifer deceiving the angels, him and the demons being cast down to earth out of God's presence.
Caesar Kalinowski:We talked about it.
Caesar Kalinowski:The kids were amazing.
Caesar Kalinowski:They had all these ideas.
Caesar Kalinowski:They, they noticed things that I've never seen, you know, I was like, that's amazing.
Caesar Kalinowski:And they had a, what things they were wondering about, and they had questions.
Caesar Kalinowski:And then I read a, I read a short psalm.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, I said, here kids, this is a, this is a verse from the Bible.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's from Psalm eight verse one.
Caesar Kalinowski:And maybe you could memorize this with your parents and that'll hide this story in your heart.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so we read it and then they translated it.
Caesar Kalinowski:And then one girl says, oh, we have a song.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:That says that.
Caesar Kalinowski:Exactly.
Caesar Kalinowski:And then someone hopped on a keyboard and we sang that song a few times and it was wonderful.
Caesar Kalinowski:And then everybody cheered and it was crazy.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And.
Caesar Kalinowski:I was like, wait a minute.
Caesar Kalinowski:Like what?
Caesar Kalinowski:What it says in scripture, everybody, they came together, they shared what they had.
Caesar Kalinowski:We'd all just had lunch.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And everybody had a word and they shared the stories.
Caesar Kalinowski:And there was psalms and hymns.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And you know, and I was like, oh my gosh, how hard was this?
Caesar Kalinowski:There was nothing planned.
Caesar Kalinowski:No.
Caesar Kalinowski:It was beautiful.
Caesar Kalinowski:And everybody's been talking about it since because it was just so pure and perfect.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And we learned and, and, and it felt closer.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I loved it, man.
Dennis Delbaere:And it was so cool that that song actually came from the kids.
Dennis Delbaere:So it was nothing that the adults set up for them.
Dennis Delbaere:It was by them and yeah, we didn't
Caesar Kalinowski:plan it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Oh no,
Dennis Delbaere:that's a good thing.
Dennis Delbaere:That's, that was
Caesar Kalinowski:so awesome.
Caesar Kalinowski:So, you know, and I, I, you know, I left going like, it's not any harder than that in my home or living room.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right.
Caesar Kalinowski:It shouldn't be.
Caesar Kalinowski:It doesn't need to be.
Caesar Kalinowski:And it was, they just that beautiful.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I think some of that's the power of story, you know?
Caesar Kalinowski:Absolutely.
Caesar Kalinowski:And learning the word that way, however.
Caesar Kalinowski:So what are some of your, it's free to dream.
Caesar Kalinowski:What are some of your hopes?
Caesar Kalinowski:And dreams for the, like, the next say year, uh, as a family and as a growing, you know, home, church or church body now.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, and for recruits, what, just what are some of your hopes and dreams?
Caesar Kalinowski:We can be praying for
Dennis Delbaere:you too, isn't you?
Dennis Delbaere:And next year.
Dennis Delbaere:Oh man.
Dennis Delbaere:A lot can happen in a year.
Dennis Delbaere:I
Caesar Kalinowski:know.
Caesar Kalinowski:What, don't worry about it too technically.
Caesar Kalinowski:Just what are you hoping for?
Caesar Kalinowski:Oh, man.
Dennis Delbaere:Just the people that, that are in recruits and, and doing life with each other, just, just, Find that family to do mission with just to, to, to have that, that higher, um, um, calling that, that is called the kingdom of God over their lives.
Dennis Delbaere:So wherever they are, they know they, they can bring the kingdom of God if it's their job or, or their hobby or sports, uh, club, whatever, maybe even in their home.
Dennis Delbaere:Mm-hmm.
Dennis Delbaere:The kingdom of God may be seen or heard in new ways.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Wow.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's beautiful.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's beautiful.
Caesar Kalinowski:I know that that's happening and I know as that happens, cuz God promised it that healthy things grow and multiply.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's just kingdom principle.
Caesar Kalinowski:Healthy things always grow and there's a lot of health and joy here.
Caesar Kalinowski:That's the other thing.
Caesar Kalinowski:We haven't talked about it, but I'll just share this, is that when Tina and I travel around and we teach and train and we're with a body of people, a community like this, we can always kind of take the temperature, is this a community of grace or is this law.
Caesar Kalinowski:Are people all nervous about rules and doing it right and and never want speak up, or they don't want to ask a question or they were afraid of making a mistake.
Caesar Kalinowski:This is such a community of grace.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yep.
Caesar Kalinowski:You guys have done a wonderful job, not just you and Gial but others.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's really beautiful and people are at peace and sure they have questions.
Caesar Kalinowski:And they're counting the cost to some of the things we were talking about, about really fully becoming an Oikos.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Not just a, you know, training times and, you know, discipling times, but be really filling out that whole family life on mission.
Caesar Kalinowski:But it's been so free and so beautiful just like the kids were.
Caesar Kalinowski:And so I'm so encouraged.
Caesar Kalinowski:Healthy things grow.
Caesar Kalinowski:They always do.
Caesar Kalinowski:Awesome man.
Caesar Kalinowski:Thank you.
Caesar Kalinowski:Thanks for taking a little bit of time to talk about this and share this stuff, cuz I'd have to figure out how to recreate all that Tina and I experienced this week, you know, so at least, at least our, our friends here get to hear some of it, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:So let's real time the big three.
Caesar Kalinowski:What's the, like, what would be the big three things?
Caesar Kalinowski:I'm gonna do the first one cuz I got it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:You'll be thinking about it for a second.
Caesar Kalinowski:What, what would be the big three things that we wouldn't want people to miss from Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:Either our discussion today or even maybe something we wished we'd said.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:Okay.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:The first one I'd say, cuz I was thinking about it when you said it to me the other day.
Caesar Kalinowski:You said that you were, you read something that said um Oh, the Pratt book, right.
Caesar Kalinowski:Radical.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Either.
Caesar Kalinowski:Either go start a movement, you know?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Or join one.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I thought about that after you said that to me and you just said it again.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Today as we were talking, and I, I would say that's one of the big things.
Caesar Kalinowski:Don't miss that.
Caesar Kalinowski:I, I know that's a strong call, but I was thinking about that, thinking the shower or something after you said it to me the next day and I was thinking of like, man, I wanna, I wanna put that kind of call on people, you know, like, Hey, pray and ask God to show you what needs to get started where you're at.
Caesar Kalinowski:Don't be as shy and afraid.
Caesar Kalinowski:You have the power that raised Christ from the dead living in you.
Caesar Kalinowski:Or join something.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:But don't sit on the sidelines, right?
Caesar Kalinowski:No, don't, don't sit on the sidelines.
Caesar Kalinowski:Get in the game, get, you know, like you gotta get in there.
Caesar Kalinowski:So that'd be my first one.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, that'd be one of the big threes.
Caesar Kalinowski:Either start something and you can't officially start a movement, but you know what I'm, you know, I know what you meant by that and what you mean by that.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Or join something that's healthy and growing and making disciples and get into a community like that.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:That'd be the first one.
Caesar Kalinowski:What do you think?
Caesar Kalinowski:What's another big takeaway?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:What I immediately think about is like, don't overthink it.
Dennis Delbaere:You don't need to have like a program to start disciples, uh, to start making disciples.
Dennis Delbaere:Don't overthink it.
Dennis Delbaere:Just grab some people that you find, okay, we have some common interests and I have suddenly an access to their life, and obviously they, they have access to my life.
Dennis Delbaere:Mm-hmm.
Dennis Delbaere:You can start discipling them.
Dennis Delbaere:Speak speak truth in their, in their life because man, Gospel is such good news.
Dennis Delbaere:Yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:So people need good news.
Dennis Delbaere:Yeah, exactly.
Dennis Delbaere:So not overthinking
Caesar Kalinowski:it in every area of life.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I know right.
Caesar Kalinowski:People hear that and go like, what curriculum should I use?
Caesar Kalinowski:And that's not what you're talking about.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, no.
Caesar Kalinowski:Talking about helping a move from unbelief to belief in light of the good news of the Gospel in everything.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:So start, just start doing that.
Caesar Kalinowski:It's amazing what God will do through that.
Caesar Kalinowski:You know, even without loads of curriculum.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah, yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:If the persecuted church can do it in Iran or Afghanistan of Chi or China.
Dennis Delbaere:I mean like why, why would we overthink?
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:We don't need to.
Caesar Kalinowski:Um, yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:And it doesn't necessarily make it better.
Caesar Kalinowski:In fact, it usually doesn't.
Caesar Kalinowski:Right.
Caesar Kalinowski:Great.
Caesar Kalinowski:What would be the third thing of the big three today?
Caesar Kalinowski:What do you think that you wouldn't want people to miss?
Dennis Delbaere:Everybody is looking for family.
Dennis Delbaere:So especially after Covid people.
Dennis Delbaere:Got forced to be isolated.
Dennis Delbaere:Yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:And even though we don't have any restrictions here now, and I don't think anywhere in the world, people are still isolating themselves.
Dennis Delbaere:So the, the hunger for a family and a community is bigger than ever.
Dennis Delbaere:Um, you said it in one of the sessions, but Covid was good news for the church, I think.
Dennis Delbaere:I mean, it exposes the church for, for it's all its programs and everything that had be shut down.
Dennis Delbaere:Mm-hmm.
Dennis Delbaere:But also now we're coming out of it for
Caesar Kalinowski:people are saying, we really need to be doing this in real life.
Caesar Kalinowski:Yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:In our homes and, yeah.
Caesar Kalinowski:Be the church
Dennis Delbaere:more.
Dennis Delbaere:I know.
Dennis Delbaere:Yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:You can't make disciples over text or zoom.
Dennis Delbaere:So people need a family and, and a community.
Dennis Delbaere:God said it's not good for men to be alone.
Dennis Delbaere:Yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:And it still isn't so.
Dennis Delbaere:Yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:People are so hungry for community.
Dennis Delbaere:So get out there, um, get involved.
Dennis Delbaere:It's your neighbors or, or even, um, as you ha if you have kids, Like, try to be involved with the other parents in, in to your kids' lives.
Dennis Delbaere:Yeah.
Dennis Delbaere:Um, and God is so good and gracious.
Dennis Delbaere:He's gonna do amazing things.
Dennis Delbaere:He really
Caesar Kalinowski:is perfect.
Caesar Kalinowski:Well, there's your big three for this week.
Caesar Kalinowski:You can always get the big three as a download, except maybe today.
Caesar Kalinowski:I don't know if I'll be able to summarize this for you.
Caesar Kalinowski:I'll see how it goes in post.
Caesar Kalinowski:I'm traveling, so I wanted to be able to talk to you and share what's going on.
Caesar Kalinowski:And I, I know you're gonna be encouraged by this talk today, but you can always get the big three by going to everyday Disciple dot com slash big three.
Caesar Kalinowski:Uh, maybe it'll be there or not, but otherwise go ahead and go to that and uh, and it'll take you to a page and you'll get all the big three downloads, probably including this.
Caesar Kalinowski:I'll try to figure out my best to summarize it.
Caesar Kalinowski:Otherwise, a whole bunch of the other big threes will be there.
Caesar Kalinowski:All right.
Caesar Kalinowski:And be sure to join us next week.
Caesar Kalinowski:We're gonna continue to talk about these things.
Caesar Kalinowski:I'm going on the road, some more, Tina and I are.
Caesar Kalinowski:And we're gonna stay in touch and keep talking about how the Gospel speaks good news into everyday life.
Caesar Kalinowski:Alright, I'll talk to you soon.
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